From Doctor Thu Jul 2 06:29:38 2009 From: Doctor (Doctor) Date: Thu Jul 2 06:29:40 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dear 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Shopping just got a lot easier! Message-ID: From glm at 303rdBG.com Mon Jul 6 17:09:28 2009 From: glm at 303rdBG.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Mon Jul 6 17:09:59 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dispatch Motorcycle Riders Message-ID: <4A528428.6000101@303rdBG.com> See the note below. I don't think I have ever heard of Dispatch Motorcycle Riders at Molesworth. I guess the question is, "How did the classified information like photos and debriefing reports get from Molesworth to 8th AF Bomber Command at High Wycombe?" Any help is appreciated: Gary ------------------- Hello I am very interested in the DR - Dispatch Motorcycles Riders work during WWII. The 303rd site is the best I have found as it appears to be so complete, as it gives credit to the ground crews as well as air crews. So often the ground crew are nameless faces. I was very interested to see that you have a group photo of the S2 Unit with all their names except one man. I have been trying to find evidence of the S2 unit at Chelveston - 305th Heavy Bombardment Group without success. I am always being told they were part of another unit but the Memorial in Chelveston clearly states there was an S2 Intelligence Unit there during WWII. Am I right in supposing the at DR would have taken all the debriefing reports and photographs produced by the S2 Unit to HQ? Thanking you in anticipation of your answer. Elizabeth Guyver ------------------ -- Gary L. Moncur 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com From michaeldriver at knology.net Tue Jul 7 20:50:37 2009 From: michaeldriver at knology.net (Michael Driver) Date: Wed Jul 8 06:49:08 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others Message-ID: All, My father, who died last month, was Henderson M. "Mack" Driver. I would like to locate Thomas H. Hardin, Jr., pilot, or anyone else who knew my father. Thanks very much. I hope someone responds. Michael Driver michaeldriver@knology.net P. O. Box 6406 Montgomery, AL 36106-0406 telephone: 334.269.6268 From glm at 303rdBG.com Wed Jul 8 06:56:34 2009 From: glm at 303rdBG.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Wed Jul 8 06:57:18 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A549782.9090504@303rdBG.com> Hi Michael, We're very sorry to hear about your father. I'll send you Tom's contact info privately. Gary Gary L. Moncur 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com Michael Driver wrote: > All, > > My father, who died last month, was Henderson M. "Mack" Driver. I would like > to locate Thomas H. Hardin, Jr., pilot, or anyone else who knew my father. > > Thanks very much. I hope someone responds. > > > Michael Driver > michaeldriver@knology.net > P. O. Box 6406 > Montgomery, AL 36106-0406 > telephone: 334.269.6268 > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From hasusskind at hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:24:51 2009 From: hasusskind at hotmail.com (harold susskind) Date: Wed Jul 8 10:24:53 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others In-Reply-To: <4A549782.9090504@303rdBG.com> References: <4A549782.9090504@303rdBG.com> Message-ID: Gary or Ed Miller Your exchange of messages raised a question in my mind. What was the total number of people who served with the 303rd for any length of time? I'm sure our newsletter Only reached about 10 percent of that number. Why? Hal Susskind > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:56:34 -0600 > From: glm@303rdBG.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others > > Hi Michael, > We're very sorry to hear about your father. I'll send you Tom's contact > info privately. > > Gary > > Gary L. Moncur > 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com > > > > Michael Driver wrote: > > All, > > > > My father, who died last month, was Henderson M. "Mack" Driver. I would like > > to locate Thomas H. Hardin, Jr., pilot, or anyone else who knew my father. > > > > Thanks very much. I hope someone responds. > > > > > > Michael Driver > > michaeldriver@knology.net > > P. O. Box 6406 > > Montgomery, AL 36106-0406 > > telephone: 334.269.6268 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 From glm at 303rdBG.com Wed Jul 8 13:03:05 2009 From: glm at 303rdBG.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Wed Jul 8 13:03:49 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others In-Reply-To: References: <4A549782.9090504@303rdBG.com> Message-ID: <4A54ED69.3020109@303rdBG.com> Hal, There were about 7500 men who served at Molesworth. I think the newsletter was going to about 20 percent of them. It's a lot easier to find people now than it was 20 years ago. My dad died in 1985 and had no idea an organization existed, even though it had for 10 years. Gary Gary L. Moncur 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com harold susskind wrote: > Gary or Ed Miller > Your exchange of messages raised a question in my mind. What was the total number of people who served with the 303rd for any length of time? I'm sure our newsletter Only reached about 10 percent of that number. Why? Hal Susskind > > >> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:56:34 -0600 >> From: glm@303rdBG.com >> To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com >> Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others >> >> Hi Michael, >> We're very sorry to hear about your father. I'll send you Tom's contact >> info privately. >> >> Gary >> >> Gary L. Moncur >> 303rd Bomb Group Historian >> glm@303rdBG.com >> www.303rdBG.com >> >> >> >> Michael Driver wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> My father, who died last month, was Henderson M. "Mack" Driver. I would like >>> to locate Thomas H. Hardin, Jr., pilot, or anyone else who knew my father. >>> >>> Thanks very much. I hope someone responds. >>> >>> >>> Michael Driver >>> michaeldriver@knology.net >>> P. O. Box 6406 >>> Montgomery, AL 36106-0406 >>> telephone: 334.269.6268 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 303rd-Talk mailing list >>> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >>> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From NSantella at Chatham.edu Thu Jul 9 13:52:24 2009 From: NSantella at Chatham.edu (Santella, Nicole) Date: Fri Jul 10 15:58:34 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others In-Reply-To: <4A54ED69.3020109@303rdBG.com> References: <4A549782.9090504@303rdBG.com> , <4A54ED69.3020109@303rdBG.com> Message-ID: <9276871D645F694BB678A264EF9A94E9879E3D06DF@MAILBOX.chatham.local> Hi everyone, Just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Nicole Santella & Albert Santella was my Grandfather. He passed away on June 28th. He was a Tailgunner on the "Knockout Dropper". I am excited to be talking with your group now. It brings me peace to keep Pap's & all of his crewmates' honor going. Thanks to all of you for organizing all of this. Sincerely, Nikki S. ________________________________________ From: 303rd-talk-bounces@303rdBG.com [303rd-talk-bounces@303rdBG.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moncur [glm@303rdBG.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 3:03 PM To: 303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others Hal, There were about 7500 men who served at Molesworth. I think the newsletter was going to about 20 percent of them. It's a lot easier to find people now than it was 20 years ago. My dad died in 1985 and had no idea an organization existed, even though it had for 10 years. Gary Gary L. Moncur 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com harold susskind wrote: > Gary or Ed Miller > Your exchange of messages raised a question in my mind. What was the total number of people who served with the 303rd for any length of time? I'm sure our newsletter Only reached about 10 percent of that number. Why? Hal Susskind > > >> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:56:34 -0600 >> From: glm@303rdBG.com >> To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com >> Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Thomas H. Hardin, Jr. or others >> >> Hi Michael, >> We're very sorry to hear about your father. I'll send you Tom's contact >> info privately. >> >> Gary >> >> Gary L. Moncur >> 303rd Bomb Group Historian >> glm@303rdBG.com >> www.303rdBG.com >> >> >> >> Michael Driver wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> My father, who died last month, was Henderson M. "Mack" Driver. I would like >>> to locate Thomas H. Hardin, Jr., pilot, or anyone else who knew my father. >>> >>> Thanks very much. I hope someone responds. >>> >>> >>> Michael Driver >>> michaeldriver@knology.net >>> P. O. Box 6406 >>> Montgomery, AL 36106-0406 >>> telephone: 334.269.6268 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 303rd-Talk mailing list >>> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >>> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009_______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From billrunnels at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 20:51:16 2009 From: billrunnels at yahoo.com (bill runnels) Date: Tue Jul 21 20:51:17 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum Message-ID: <583261.96072.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gentlemen, our 303rdbg talk forum has been silent far to long. We need to find a way to give it a new breath of life.? I am not sure how to do that but there must be a way.? How about sharing a funny story that you recall happening while at Molesworth or on a trip to London or Cambridge?? Or possibly you have a mission related story to share.? It was a serious time?but we still found time to laugh etc.. ? As our numbers grow smaller, we need to communicate. After all, we were a proud lot and should remain united as a proud group. ? Who will step forward and get the ball rolling? ? Bill Runnels Bombardier - 360thBS From j4cubguy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 20:55:58 2009 From: j4cubguy at yahoo.com (John Mcenaney) Date: Tue Jul 21 20:55:59 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum Message-ID: <395669.48391.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What were? everyones thoughts upon hearing that germany surrendered? what happened afterward? when did you bring the planes back to the us? any problems enroute? best to all... --- On Tue, 7/21/09, bill runnels wrote: From: bill runnels Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:51 PM Gentlemen, our 303rdbg talk forum has been silent far to long. We need to find a way to give it a new breath of life.? I am not sure how to do that but there must be a way.? How about sharing a funny story that you recall happening while at Molesworth or on a trip to London or Cambridge?? Or possibly you have a mission related story to share.? It was a serious time?but we still found time to laugh etc.. ? As our numbers grow smaller, we need to communicate. After all, we were a proud lot and should remain united as a proud group. ? Who will step forward and get the ball rolling? ? Bill Runnels Bombardier - 360thBS _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From Thor542086 at aol.com Tue Jul 21 21:12:39 2009 From: Thor542086 at aol.com (Thor542086@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 21 21:12:51 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Get the Ball Rolling Message-ID: I was not in the 303rd, I wasn't born until 1951, but my dad was on a B-24 bomber. I have been a member of the forum for about 5 years. I have asked a lot of questions, so I am going to ask some more to keep the forum going. I have the movie "12':00 clock high and is one of my favorite movies. How close does the movie come to the real experiences you gentlemen experienced? Also, how did the English treat you when and if you went to London? I use to work with a lady that was from Ipswich. she can remember the war somewhat. Did we have any air bases at Ipswich and how far west did the Germans bomb in England. How far was the closest fighter base from you? Sorry for all the questions, but I have wonder about this for a long time and I want to keep the forum going! Terry Lucas **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823310x1201398722/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) From billrunnels at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 06:33:55 2009 From: billrunnels at yahoo.com (bill runnels) Date: Wed Jul 22 06:33:57 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum In-Reply-To: <395669.48391.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <793290.9972.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At the 303rdBG, a big party took place. I remember coming back to the hut at the wee hours in the morning and was just approaching the entrance when I heard a shot. I backtracked to the other entrance and found a guy, drunk as a skunk(the only one in the hut), setting in a chair firing his 45 out the door I first planned to use.?A rather large haystack in a field close by?had been torched. This went on for about the first 24 hours then then? Command took charge. Our base commander decided we should have a full dress parade and we did.? Most of us had not drilled for some time so I am sure it was amusing to say the least. He found a bunch of instruments so we even had a band. I played the baratone. Instead of being on the review stand, the Base commander played tuba in the band. ? >From that time on. things returned to normal with training flights, the Continental series of flights etc. --- On Tue, 7/21/09, John Mcenaney wrote: From: John Mcenaney Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:55 PM What were? everyones thoughts upon hearing that germany surrendered? what happened afterward? when did you bring the planes back to the us? any problems enroute? best to all... --- On Tue, 7/21/09, bill runnels wrote: From: bill runnels Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:51 PM Gentlemen, our 303rdbg talk forum has been silent far to long. We need to find a way to give it a new breath of life.? I am not sure how to do that but there must be a way.? How about sharing a funny story that you recall happening while at Molesworth or on a trip to London or Cambridge?? Or possibly you have a mission related story to share.? It was a serious time?but we still found time to laugh etc.. ? As our numbers grow smaller, we need to communicate. After all, we were a proud lot and should remain united as a proud group. ? Who will step forward and get the ball rolling? ? Bill Runnels Bombardier - 360thBS _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From hasusskind at hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:04:47 2009 From: hasusskind at hotmail.com (harold susskind) Date: Wed Jul 22 10:04:50 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Get the Ball Rolling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You all: 12 0'clock was one of the best war time movies. I met Gregory Peck several years ago at a C ofC function. When I went up to talk to him I have a silver B-17 in my button hole in my jacket. The first word he said was " B-17 He asked me how I liked the movie. we talked for about a half hour while the line to talk to him got longer and longer. I broke off the conversation or I would have been lynched. Did you eer hear of Tailwheel, the most unforgettable character of WW II. Hal Susskind > From: Thor542086@aol.com > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:12:39 -0400 > To: 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > CC: > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Get the Ball Rolling > > I was not in the 303rd, I wasn't born until 1951, but my dad was on a B-24 > bomber. I have been a member of the forum for about 5 years. I have asked a > lot of questions, so I am going to ask some more to keep the forum going. > > I have the movie "12':00 clock high and is one of my favorite movies. How > close does the movie come to the real experiences you gentlemen experienced? > Also, how did the English treat you when and if you went to London? I use > to work with a lady that was from Ipswich. she can remember the war > somewhat. Did we have any air bases at Ipswich and how far west did the Germans > bomb in England. How far was the closest fighter base from you? Sorry for all > the questions, but I have wonder about this for a long time and I want to > keep the forum going! > > Terry Lucas > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823310x1201398722/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= > JulystepsfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From billrunnels at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 12:29:23 2009 From: billrunnels at yahoo.com (bill runnels) Date: Wed Jul 22 12:29:26 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Get the Ball Rolling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <676410.88072.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found the English to be very friendly and appreciative of our being there. The small town neighborhood pub could be a little challenge unless you were invited there by one of the neighbors. I always felt sorry for the locals because we soldiers had so much more than they did. ? I am not aware of any bases at Ipswich.? However, the 353 and 3f6 Fighter Groups were close. ? I have no idea how far west the Germans bombed but at the 303rdBG, Molesworth, England(about 80 miles north and a little west of London), we would hear the V! Rockets overhead? from time to time at night. Bill Runnels Bombardier --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Thor542086@aol.com wrote: From: Thor542086@aol.com Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: Get the Ball Rolling To: 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:12 PM I was not in the 303rd, I wasn't born until 1951, but my dad was on a B-24? bomber. I have been a member of the forum for about 5 years. I have asked a lot? of questions, so I am going to ask some more to keep the forum going. I have the movie "12':00 clock high and is one of my favorite movies. How? close does the movie come to the real experiences you gentlemen experienced? Also, how did the English treat you when and if you went to London? I use to? work with a lady that was from Ipswich. she can remember the war somewhat. Did? we have any air bases at Ipswich and how far west did the Germans bomb in? England. How far was the closest fighter base from you? Sorry for all the? questions, but I have wonder about this for a long time and I want to keep the? forum going! Terry Lucas **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823310x1201398722/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From jss at wt.net Wed Jul 22 13:37:08 2009 From: jss at wt.net (Jack & Shirley Slawson) Date: Wed Jul 22 13:37:37 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dispatch Motorcycle Riders In-Reply-To: <4A528428.6000101@303rdBG.com> References: <4A528428.6000101@303rdBG.com> Message-ID: <3F63F954E07F4800A8CA7C43818B5F2F@SlawsonPC> I do not have any info as to dispatch riders out of Molesworth but the following may be part of the answer to the question of transport of documents, etc. to higher HQ. The group CO had a Piper Cub liaison aircraft at his disposal. He knew of my father's interest in flying and let him fly the airplane (with one of the qualified pilots) on occasion. My father once related that some important paperwork had to go up the line to HQ and he went along with a pilot to deliver same. They flew in the cub, in what he said was awful weather with near 0 visibility, two pair of eyes watching for trees, power lines and basically following roads. He said it was a very exciting flight. I would assume that this air delivery method was used, at least for important material, on other occasions as well. Jack S. -----Original Message----- From: 303rd-talk-bounces@303rdBG.com [mailto:303rd-talk-bounces@303rdBG.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moncur Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:09 PM To: 303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dispatch Motorcycle Riders See the note below. I don't think I have ever heard of Dispatch Motorcycle Riders at Molesworth. I guess the question is, "How did the classified information like photos and debriefing reports get from Molesworth to 8th AF Bomber Command at High Wycombe?" Any help is appreciated: Gary ------------------- Hello I am very interested in the DR - Dispatch Motorcycles Riders work during WWII. The 303rd site is the best I have found as it appears to be so complete, as it gives credit to the ground crews as well as air crews. So often the ground crew are nameless faces. I was very interested to see that you have a group photo of the S2 Unit with all their names except one man. I have been trying to find evidence of the S2 unit at Chelveston - 305th Heavy Bombardment Group without success. I am always being told they were part of another unit but the Memorial in Chelveston clearly states there was an S2 Intelligence Unit there during WWII. Am I right in supposing the at DR would have taken all the debriefing reports and photographs produced by the S2 Unit to HQ? Thanking you in anticipation of your answer. Elizabeth Guyver ------------------ -- Gary L. Moncur 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: 07/06/09 17:54:00 From hasusskind at hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 14:21:09 2009 From: hasusskind at hotmail.com (harold susskind) Date: Wed Jul 22 14:21:11 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dispatch Motorcycle Riders In-Reply-To: <3F63F954E07F4800A8CA7C43818B5F2F@SlawsonPC> References: <4A528428.6000101@303rdBG.com> <3F63F954E07F4800A8CA7C43818B5F2F@SlawsonPC> Message-ID: You all: I know nothing about Motorcycle riders. But I do know that Chelveston had a squadron which dropped leaflets at night. I imagine that intelligence people wrote the copy that went on to the leaflets. As a PFF crew, we flew about 12 missions out of Chelvetorn, the easiest ones were ones on D-Day. Cheers. Hal Susskind > From: jss@wt.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Dispatch Motorcycle Riders > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:37:08 -0500 > > I do not have any info as to dispatch riders out of Molesworth but the > following may be part of the answer to the question of transport of > documents, etc. to higher HQ. The group CO had a Piper Cub liaison aircraft > at his disposal. He knew of my father's interest in flying and let him fly > the airplane (with one of the qualified pilots) on occasion. My father once > related that some important paperwork had to go up the line to HQ and he > went along with a pilot to deliver same. They flew in the cub, in what he > said was awful weather with near 0 visibility, two pair of eyes watching for > trees, power lines and basically following roads. He said it was a very > exciting flight. I would assume that this air delivery method was used, at > least for important material, on other occasions as well. > > Jack S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 303rd-talk-bounces@303rdBG.com [mailto:303rd-talk-bounces@303rdBG.com] > On Behalf Of Gary Moncur > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:09 PM > To: 303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Dispatch Motorcycle Riders > > > See the note below. I don't think I have ever heard of Dispatch Motorcycle > Riders at Molesworth. > I guess the question is, "How did the classified information like photos and > debriefing reports get from Molesworth to 8th AF Bomber Command at High > Wycombe?" > > Any help is appreciated: > Gary > > ------------------- > > Hello > > I am very interested in the DR - Dispatch Motorcycles Riders work during > WWII. The 303rd site is the best I have found as it appears to be so > complete, as it gives credit to the ground crews as well as air crews. > So often the ground crew are nameless faces. > > I was very interested to see that you have a group photo of the S2 Unit with > all their names except one man. I have been trying to find evidence of the > S2 unit at Chelveston - 305th Heavy Bombardment Group without success. I am > always being told they were part of another unit but the Memorial in > Chelveston clearly states there was an S2 Intelligence Unit there during > WWII. > > Am I right in supposing the at DR would have taken all the debriefing > reports and photographs produced by the S2 Unit to HQ? > > Thanking you in anticipation of your answer. > > Elizabeth Guyver > ------------------ > > -- > Gary L. Moncur > 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: 07/06/09 > 17:54:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? SkyDrive?: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From 303rd-talk at 303rdbg.com Wed Jul 22 15:58:01 2009 From: 303rd-talk at 303rdbg.com (303rd-talk@303rdbg.com) Date: Wed Jul 22 15:58:03 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] USA Online Drugstore Sale 50% OFF! Message-ID: From billrunnels at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 17:30:35 2009 From: billrunnels at yahoo.com (bill runnels) Date: Wed Jul 22 17:30:36 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Continental Express Flights Message-ID: <925776.8893.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Immediately following the end of the war, a series of Continental Express Flights were flown to enable the ground support teams to see the damage first hand that had been inflicted by the bombings. At the 303rd we operated with a skeleton crew and about 15 to 20 passengers.? The flights were 6 to 8 hours long and a lot of country was covered on each.? ? I have never talked to anyone who was a passenger. If by chance there is one out there, sure would like to know what your reaction was?etc. ? Bill Bombardier? From j4cubguy at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 21:27:12 2009 From: j4cubguy at yahoo.com (John Mcenaney) Date: Wed Jul 22 21:27:14 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum Message-ID: <203690.39227.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Having read Martin Caidens' book, Flying forts, What were the groups experiances with the YB-40?Regards, john --- On Wed, 7/22/09, bill runnels wrote: From: bill runnels Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 8:33 AM At the 303rdBG, a big party took place. I remember coming back to the hut at the wee hours in the morning and was just approaching the entrance when I heard a shot. I backtracked to the other entrance and found a guy, drunk as a skunk(the only one in the hut), setting in a chair firing his 45 out the door I first planned to use.?A rather large haystack in a field close by?had been torched. This went on for about the first 24 hours then then? Command took charge. Our base commander decided we should have a full dress parade and we did.? Most of us had not drilled for some time so I am sure it was amusing to say the least. He found a bunch of instruments so we even had a band. I played the baratone. Instead of being on the review stand, the Base commander played tuba in the band. ? >From that time on. things returned to normal with training flights, the Continental series of flights etc. --- On Tue, 7/21/09, John Mcenaney wrote: From: John Mcenaney Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:55 PM What were? everyones thoughts upon hearing that germany surrendered? what happened afterward? when did you bring the planes back to the us? any problems enroute? best to all... --- On Tue, 7/21/09, bill runnels wrote: From: bill runnels Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:51 PM Gentlemen, our 303rdbg talk forum has been silent far to long. We need to find a way to give it a new breath of life.? I am not sure how to do that but there must be a way.? How about sharing a funny story that you recall happening while at Molesworth or on a trip to London or Cambridge?? Or possibly you have a mission related story to share.? It was a serious time?but we still found time to laugh etc.. ? As our numbers grow smaller, we need to communicate. After all, we were a proud lot and should remain united as a proud group. ? Who will step forward and get the ball rolling? ? Bill Runnels Bombardier - 360thBS _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 22 18:47:23 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Thu Jul 23 08:01:12 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems Message-ID: My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed away. I would like for someone, if possible, to give me contact information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos of flight crews which included both his father and my father-in law. Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. Thank you for any help you can be, Best Southern regards, Joel Coleman Winston, GA 770-778-4116 From twomey45 at msn.com Thu Jul 23 09:35:34 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Thu Jul 23 09:35:36 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joel: I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and the mission numbers they flew. It appears your father-in-law's tour of duty with the 303rd overlapped, somewhat, with my father's tour; but, they may never have flown together. Bill Twomey Adel, GA > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed away. I would like for someone, if possible, to give me contact information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos of flight crews which included both his father and my father-in law. > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > Best Southern regards, > > Joel Coleman > Winston, GA > 770-778-4116 > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From billrunnels at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 09:59:11 2009 From: billrunnels at yahoo.com (bill runnels) Date: Thu Jul 23 09:59:13 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum In-Reply-To: <203690.39227.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <537005.42988.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, ? Don't know much about the YB-40 conversion.? It is my understanding they converted about 20 B-17F model aircraft on an experimental program. The concept apparently turned out to be a failure due to excessive weight etc. They did fly 8 or ten missions before the program was scuttled. ? Bill Bombardier --- On Wed, 7/22/09, John Mcenaney wrote: From: John Mcenaney Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 10:27 PM Having read Martin Caidens' book, Flying forts, What were the groups experiances with the YB-40?Regards, john --- On Wed, 7/22/09, bill runnels wrote: From: bill runnels Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 8:33 AM At the 303rdBG, a big party took place. I remember coming back to the hut at the wee hours in the morning and was just approaching the entrance when I heard a shot. I backtracked to the other entrance and found a guy, drunk as a skunk(the only one in the hut), setting in a chair firing his 45 out the door I first planned to use.?A rather large haystack in a field close by?had been torched. This went on for about the first 24 hours then then? Command took charge. Our base commander decided we should have a full dress parade and we did.? Most of us had not drilled for some time so I am sure it was amusing to say the least. He found a bunch of instruments so we even had a band. I played the baratone. Instead of being on the review stand, the Base commander played tuba in the band. ? >From that time on. things returned to normal with training flights, the Continental series of flights etc. --- On Tue, 7/21/09, John Mcenaney wrote: From: John Mcenaney Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:55 PM What were? everyones thoughts upon hearing that germany surrendered? what happened afterward? when did you bring the planes back to the us? any problems enroute? best to all... --- On Tue, 7/21/09, bill runnels wrote: From: bill runnels Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:51 PM Gentlemen, our 303rdbg talk forum has been silent far to long. We need to find a way to give it a new breath of life.? I am not sure how to do that but there must be a way.? How about sharing a funny story that you recall happening while at Molesworth or on a trip to London or Cambridge?? Or possibly you have a mission related story to share.? It was a serious time?but we still found time to laugh etc.. ? As our numbers grow smaller, we need to communicate. After all, we were a proud lot and should remain united as a proud group. ? Who will step forward and get the ball rolling? ? Bill Runnels Bombardier - 360thBS _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From glm at 303rdbg.com Thu Jul 23 10:16:02 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Thu Jul 23 10:16:05 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A688CC2.6040801@303rdbg.com> Joel, Try: tlweems@comcast.net Hopefully the email is still good. *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* joelkc2442 wrote: > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed away. I would like for someone, if possible, to give me contact information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos of flight crews which included both his father and my father-in law. > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > Best Southern regards, > > Joel Coleman > Winston, GA > 770-778-4116 > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From tlweems at tx.rr.com Thu Jul 23 10:26:56 2009 From: tlweems at tx.rr.com (Tyler L. Weems) Date: Thu Jul 23 10:26:59 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: <4A688CC2.6040801@303rdbg.com> References: <4A688CC2.6040801@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <4A688F50.9060700@tx.rr.com> Actually, it is now tlweems@tx.rr.com. Gary Moncur wrote: > Joel, > Try: tlweems@comcast.net > Hopefully the email is still good. > > > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > joelkc2442 wrote: >> My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been >> researching the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions >> during the later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I >> have learned that most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the >> day, have passed away. I would like for someone, if possible, to >> give me contact information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas >> L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos >> of flight crews which included both his father and my father-in law. >> >> Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. >> Thank you for any help you can be, >> >> Best Southern regards, >> >> Joel Coleman >> Winston, GA >> 770-778-4116 >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> >> > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > From IBSPEC at aol.com Thu Jul 23 12:09:34 2009 From: IBSPEC at aol.com (IBSPEC@aol.com) Date: Thu Jul 23 12:09:48 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum Message-ID: i have been informed that hitler's attacks were the breadth of the british aisles and included Dublin, then neutral country ,obviously accidental"SPEC" Campen **************Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D7) From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 23 21:07:40 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Thu Jul 23 21:10:12 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems References: <4A688CC2.6040801@303rdbg.com> <4A688F50.9060700@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F40651F92634C93B82841790A1765AA@joelwksol0qarl> Thank you sir.........I have been in touch with Mr. Weems thanks to the email address you provided. Joel ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > Actually, it is now tlweems@tx.rr.com. > > Gary Moncur wrote: >> Joel, >> Try: tlweems@comcast.net >> Hopefully the email is still good. >> >> >> *Gary L. Moncur* >> * 303rd Bomb Group Historian >> glm@303rdBG.com >> www.303rdBG.com* >> >> >> >> joelkc2442 wrote: >>> My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been >>> researching the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions >>> during the later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I >>> have learned that most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the >>> day, have passed away. I would like for someone, if possible, to >>> give me contact information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas >>> L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos >>> of flight crews which included both his father and my father-in law. >>> >>> Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. >>> Thank you for any help you can be, >>> >>> Best Southern regards, >>> >>> Joel Coleman From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 24 07:40:14 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Fri Jul 24 07:42:48 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems References: Message-ID: Hi Bill, I see your dad was in the 358th and my father-in-law was in the 360th. They probably were on some of the same missions. Most of Mr. Price's missions were with the Fontana crew. God bless them all for their service. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Twomey" To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems Joel: I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and the mission numbers they flew. It appears your father-in-law's tour of duty with the 303rd overlapped, somewhat, with my father's tour; but, they may never have flown together. Bill Twomey Adel, GA > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching the > 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the later > half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that most of > his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed away. I would > like for someone, if possible, to give me contact information for Tyler L. > Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has > supplied several photos of flight crews which included both his father and > my father-in law. > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > Best Southern regards, > > Joel Coleman > Winston, GA > 770-778-4116 > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 06:02:00 From twomey45 at msn.com Fri Jul 24 08:45:16 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Fri Jul 24 08:45:18 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll bet you're right. I haven't taken the time to look at each of the mission numbers shown for them; but, there was probably some overlap - given their dates of service. -- My Dad didn't talk a lot about Molesworth - and, when he did much of what he said was humorous - not the war side of the tale. But, as a kid I had the sense these men were at Molesworth a lot longer than the dates of service shown. Obviously, even though the days were relative few, the impact of the European war experience was paramount. As Tom Brokaw so eloquently dubbed them - The Greatest Generation. What a crew they are/were !! Bill > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:40:14 -0400 > > > Hi Bill, > > I see your dad was in the 358th and my father-in-law was in the 360th. They > probably were on some of the same missions. Most of Mr. Price's missions > were with the Fontana crew. God bless them all for their service. > > Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Twomey" > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:35 AM > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > Joel: > > > > I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and the > mission numbers they flew. > > > > It appears your father-in-law's tour of duty with the 303rd overlapped, > somewhat, with my father's tour; but, they may never have flown > together. > > > Bill Twomey > > Adel, GA > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching the > > 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the later > > half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that most of > > his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed away. I would > > like for someone, if possible, to give me contact information for Tyler L. > > Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has > > supplied several photos of flight crews which included both his father and > > my father-in law. > > > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > > > Best Southern regards, > > > > Joel Coleman > > Winston, GA > > 770-778-4116 > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 06:02:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From jhelms2196 at aol.com Fri Jul 24 13:38:11 2009 From: jhelms2196 at aol.com (jhelms2196@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:38:28 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum In-Reply-To: <583261.96072.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <583261.96072.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CBDAAD69D1F13F-1C04-E53@WEBMAIL-MY40.sysops.aol.com> Mr. Runnels, My father John R. Helms was a flyer out of Molesworth, his name is listed on your roster and I have done a great deal of research about his time there.? I thought I would relay a little story about his first Christmas in England.? He was not the type that got homesick, but his first Christmas out of the States as he told me ?was a bit sad for him.? He missed a lot about his home in West Point, Mississippi, but mostly his mother whom he was very close to.? He said that as he remembers it, the weather was particularly cold and he was not relishing the thought of a Christmas Dinner on the Base.? A few days before Christmas, he had met a girl, a young woman, who was the daughter of a minister there in Molesworth.?? She was a very nice woman and she invited my father to join her family for Christmas Dinner.? He said that he did that and was treated to a "wartime" traditional English Christmas Dinner.?He said though they were living a rather meager existence during the war, they?gave him a small gift for Christmas and he in turn gave them a small gift for having him as a guest for the holiday.?All in all, he was overwhelmed by the hospitality and genuine kindness of the town people there.? He relayed that story to me not long before his death in 1997.? I know this is not a funny or probably even unusual story, but I thought I would share it with you because it touched me that the people of England were so willing to make the men feel at home in a time and a place that was not very much like home. Thank you for letting me share. John R. Helms, Jr. , Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073 www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original Message----- From: bill runnels To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:51 pm Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum Gentlemen, our 303rdbg talk forum has been silent far to long. We need to find a way to give it a new breath of life.? I am not sure how to do that but there must be a way.? How about sharing a funny story that you recall happening while at Molesworth or on a trip to London or Cambridge?? Or possibly you have a mission related story to share.? It was a serious time?but we still found time to laugh etc.. ? As our numbers grow smaller, we need to communicate. After all, we were a proud lot and should remain united as a proud group. ? Who will step forward and get the ball rolling? ? Bill Runnels Bombardier - 360thBS _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From billrunnels at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 14:21:27 2009 From: billrunnels at yahoo.com (bill runnels) Date: Fri Jul 24 14:21:29 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum In-Reply-To: <8CBDAAD69D1F13F-1C04-E53@WEBMAIL-MY40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <87644.50189.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, ? Thanks for?telling the wonderful story. It says a lot about your father, the people of the UK and the relationship we enjoyed while there. These memories need to be shared and I appreciate your doing so. I am sure many on this forum can?relate to similar experiences. Thanks again.? . ? Bill Bombardier --- On Fri, 7/24/09, jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: From: jhelms2196@aol.com Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:38 PM Mr. Runnels, My father John R. Helms was a flyer out of Molesworth, his name is listed on your roster and I have done a great deal of research about his time there.? I thought I would relay a little story about his first Christmas in England.? He was not the type that got homesick, but his first Christmas out of the States as he told me ?was a bit sad for him.? He missed a lot about his home in West Point, Mississippi, but mostly his mother whom he was very close to.? He said that as he remembers it, the weather was particularly cold and he was not relishing the thought of a Christmas Dinner on the Base.? A few days before Christmas, he had met a girl, a young woman, who was the daughter of a minister there in Molesworth.?? She was a very nice woman and she invited my father to join her family for Christmas Dinner.? He said that he did that and was treated to a "wartime" traditional English Christmas Dinner.?He said though they were living a rather meager existence during the war, they?gave him a small gift for Christmas and he in turn gave them a small gift for having him as a guest for the holiday.?All in all, he was overwhelmed by the hospitality and genuine kindness of the town people there.? He relayed that story to me not long before his death in 1997.? I know this is not a funny or probably even unusual story, but I thought I would share it with you because it touched me that the people of England were so willing to make the men feel at home in a time and a place that was not very much like home. Thank you for letting me share. John R. Helms, Jr. , Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073 www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original Message----- From: bill runnels To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2009 9:51 pm Subject: [303rd-Talk] Our Talk Forum Gentlemen, our 303rdbg talk forum has been silent far to long. We need to find a way to give it a new breath of life.? I am not sure how to do that but there must be a way.? How about sharing a funny story that you recall happening while at Molesworth or on a trip to London or Cambridge?? Or possibly you have a mission related story to share.? It was a serious time?but we still found time to laugh etc.. ? As our numbers grow smaller, we need to communicate. After all, we were a proud lot and should remain united as a proud group. ? Who will step forward and get the ball rolling? ? Bill Runnels Bombardier - 360thBS ? ? ? _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From wejones at eskerridge.com Fri Jul 24 14:29:30 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Fri Jul 24 14:30:04 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4A69E16A.12601.20F3D44@localhost> I think that I'd have to mention here that John Twomley, Thomas Weems, AND Kirkland Price all flew on the Sept 28 1944 Magdeburg mission. On that mission, the 360th BS flew the low squadron of 12 planes, 10 from the 360th and 2 from the 358th. Of the 12 planes, only 2 returned. Fontanna's lead plane was apparently damaged and couldn't keep up with the formation, and got separated, but somehow got back, with both Weems and Price on board. I've read many things about that mission. It must have been one heck of a ride. It also must have been equally disturbing for the ground crews waiting for their planes to return, with only 2 making it back. I'd really like to hear mr Price's recollection of the mission. > > Hi Bill, > > I see your dad was in the 358th and my father-in-law was in the 360th. > They probably were on some of the same missions. Most of Mr. Price's > missions were with the Fontana crew. God bless them all for their > service. > > Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Twomey" > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:35 AM > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > Joel: > > > > I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and the > mission numbers they flew. > > > > It appears your father-in-law's tour of duty with the 303rd > overlapped, somewhat, with my father's tour; but, they may never > have flown together. > > > Bill Twomey > > Adel, GA > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching > > the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the > > later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that > > most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed > > away. I would like for someone, if possible, to give me contact > > information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have > > found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos of flight crews > > which included both his father and my father-in law. > > > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > > > Best Southern regards, > > > > Joel Coleman > > Winston, GA > > 770-778-4116 > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: > 07/23/09 06:02:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From j4cubguy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 15:40:22 2009 From: j4cubguy at yahoo.com (John Mcenaney) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:40:24 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems Message-ID: <292886.91812.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would like to know more about the mission also, if possible.? John --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Bill Jones wrote: From: Bill Jones Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 PM I think that I'd have to mention here that John Twomley, Thomas Weems, AND Kirkland Price all flew on the Sept 28 1944 Magdeburg mission. On that mission, the 360th BS flew the low squadron of 12 planes, 10 from the 360th and 2 from the 358th.? Of the 12 planes, only 2 returned.? Fontanna's lead plane was apparently damaged and couldn't keep up with the formation, and got separated, but somehow got back, with both Weems and Price on board. I've read many things about that mission.? It must have been one heck of a ride. It also must have been equally disturbing for the ground crews waiting for their planes to return, with only 2 making it back. ???I'd really like to hear mr Price's recollection of the mission.? ??? > > Hi Bill, > > I see your dad was in the 358th and my father-in-law was in the 360th. > They probably were on some of the same missions.? Most of Mr. Price's > missions were with the Fontana crew.? God bless them all for their > service. > > Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Twomey" > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:35 AM > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > Joel: > > > > I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and? the > mission? numbers they? flew. > > > > It? appears your? father-in-law's tour of duty with the? 303rd > overlapped, somewhat,? with? my? father's? tour;? but,? they may never > have? flown together. > > > Bill Twomey > > Adel, GA > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching > > the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the > > later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that > > most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed > > away. I would like for someone, if possible, to give me contact > > information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have > > found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos of flight crews > > which included both his father and my father-in law. > > > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > > > Best Southern regards, > > > > Joel Coleman > > Winston, GA > > 770-778-4116 > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: > 07/23/09 06:02:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > Bill Jones? ? ? ???N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From j4cubguy at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 15:43:29 2009 From: j4cubguy at yahoo.com (John Mcenaney) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:43:31 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] the first 10 Message-ID: <614274.16562.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> What were the first ten mission like? I'm sure there was a learning curve......John From twomey45 at msn.com Fri Jul 24 16:35:06 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:35:09 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: <292886.91812.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <292886.91812.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill - Am I reading your message correctly to say that the only two planes that made it back were: 1 from the 360th and the one from the 358th that my Dad was on? Bill Twomey > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:40:22 -0700 > From: j4cubguy@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > I would like to know more about the mission also, if possible. John > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Bill Jones wrote: > > > From: Bill Jones > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 PM > > > I think that I'd have to mention here that John Twomley, Thomas Weems, > AND Kirkland Price all flew on the Sept 28 1944 Magdeburg mission. On > that mission, the 360th BS flew the low squadron of 12 planes, 10 from > the 360th and 2 from the 358th. Of the 12 planes, only 2 returned. > Fontanna's lead plane was apparently damaged and couldn't keep up with > the formation, and got separated, but somehow got back, with both Weems > and Price on board. I've read many things about that mission. It must > have been one heck of a ride. It also must have been equally disturbing > for the ground crews waiting for their planes to return, with only 2 > making it back. > I'd really like to hear mr Price's recollection of the mission. > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > I see your dad was in the 358th and my father-in-law was in the 360th. > > They probably were on some of the same missions. Most of Mr. Price's > > missions were with the Fontana crew. God bless them all for their > > service. > > > > Joel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Twomey" > > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > > > Joel: > > > > > > > > I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and the > > mission numbers they flew. > > > > > > > > It appears your father-in-law's tour of duty with the 303rd > > overlapped, somewhat, with my father's tour; but, they may never > > have flown together. > > > > > > Bill Twomey > > > > Adel, GA > > > > > > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching > > > the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the > > > later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that > > > most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed > > > away. I would like for someone, if possible, to give me contact > > > information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have > > > found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos of flight crews > > > which included both his father and my father-in law. > > > > > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > > > > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > > > > > Best Southern regards, > > > > > > Joel Coleman > > > Winston, GA > > > 770-778-4116 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: > > 07/23/09 06:02:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > Sweden Maine > wejones@megalink.net > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > 303rdBG page > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 24 16:49:18 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:51:52 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems References: Message-ID: These are the 30 missions my father-in-law were on..........Joel Coleman Mission 200 Jul 09, 1944 Chateaudun, France 37 - 1 - 0 360th Bombardment Squadron Crew Lists B-17G #42-97546 Idaliza P Fontana, Bernard C., 1Lt CP Polezoes, Stanley, 1Lt NAV Nurock, Leon, F/O BOM Duros, Constentine J., 2Lt ENG Perry, Robert N., S/Sgt RO King, Raymond C., S/Sgt BT Durfee, James R., Sgt TG Price, Kirkland T., Sgt WG Weems, Thomas L., Sgt Mission 202 Jul 12, 1944 Munich, Germany 40 - 1 - 0 Lead Mission 203 Jul 13, 1944 Munich, Germany 38 - 3 - 1 B-17G #42-97187 Miss Umbriago P Fontana, Bernard C., 1Lt CP Cambron, Richard H., 2Lt NAV Nurock, Leon, F/O BOM Duros, Constentine J., 2Lt ENG Perry, Robert N., S/Sgt RO King, Raymond C., S/Sgt BT Durfee, James R., Sgt TG Price, Kirkland T., Sgt WG Weems, Thomas L., Sgt Mission 207 Jul 19, 1944 Hollriegelskreuth, Germany 37 - 2 - 1 Mission 208 Jul 20, 1944 Dessau, Germany 37 - 2 - 0 Mission 209 Jul 21, 1944 Lugwigshafen, Germany 39 - 1 - 0 Mission 210 Jul 23, 1944 Creil, France 38 - 2 - 2 B-17G #42-31340 Miss Liberty P Fontana, Bernard C., 1Lt CP Cambron, Richard H., 2Lt NAV Nurock, Leon, F/O BOM Duros, Constentine J., 2Lt ENG Perry, Robert N., S/Sgt RO King, Raymond C., S/Sgt BT Durfee, James R., Sgt TG Price, Kirkland T., Sgt WG Weems, Thomas L., Sgt Mission 211 Jul 24, 1944 St. Lo, France 38 - 1 - 0 Mission 212 Jul 25, 1944 St. Lo, France 39 - 12* - 0 Mission 213 Jul 28, 1944 Merseburg, Germany 37 - 0 - 0 Mission 214 Jul 29, 1944 Merseburg, Germany 51 - 4 - 0 Mission 239 Sep 10, 1944 Stuttgart, Germany 26 - 0 - 0 Lead Mission 241 Sep 12, 1944 Brux, Czechoslovakia 26 - 3 - 2 Lead Mission 243 Sep 17, 1944 Eindhoven, Netherlands 37 - 1 - 0 Lead Mission 248 Sep 28, 1944 Magdeburg, Germany 28 - 4 - 11 Mission 253 Oct 07, 1944 Dresden, Germany 35 - 2 - 0 Lead Mission 254 Oct 09, 1944 Schweinfurt, Germany 37 - 0 - 0 Mission 255 Oct 11, 1944 Wesseling, Germany 47 - 2 - 2 Lead Mission 257 Oct 15, 1944 Cologne (K?ln), Germany 13 - 0 - 1 High Mission 264 Oct 30, 1944 Hamm, Germany 39 - 1 - 0 Mission 271 Nov 10, 1944 Cologne (K?ln), Germany 52 - 1 - 1 Lead Mission 273 Nov 16, 1944 Weisweiler/Echweiler, Germany 55 - 0 - 0 Mission 277 Nov 26, 1944 Altenbecken/Osnabruck 58 - 1 - 1 Lead Mission 278 Nov 27, 1944 Offenburg, Germany 40 - 0 - 0 Lead Mission 281 Dec 02, 1944 Oberlahnstein, Germany 39 - 0 - 0 Lead Mission 282 Dec 04, 1944 Soest, Germany 43 - 1 - 0 Lead Mission 285 Dec 11, 1944 Mannheim, Germany 52 - 4 - 0 Mission 290 Dec 24, 1944 Merzhausen, Germany 50 - 2 - 1 Mission 293 Dec 30, 1944 Kaiserlautern, Germany 41 - 0 - 0 Lead Mission 294 Dec 31, 1944 Neuss, Germany 41 - 2 - 0 Lead ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Twomey" To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems I'll bet you're right. I haven't taken the time to look at each of the mission numbers shown for them; but, there was probably some overlap - given their dates of service. -- My Dad didn't talk a lot about Molesworth - and, when he did much of what he said was humorous - not the war side of the tale. But, as a kid I had the sense these men were at Molesworth a lot longer than the dates of service shown. Obviously, even though the days were relative few, the impact of the European war experience was paramount. As Tom Brokaw so eloquently dubbed them - The Greatest Generation. What a crew they are/were !! Bill > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:40:14 -0400 > > > Hi Bill, > > I see your dad was in the 358th and my father-in-law was in the 360th. > They > probably were on some of the same missions. Most of Mr. Price's missions > were with the Fontana crew. God bless them all for their service. > > Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Twomey" > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:35 AM > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > Joel: > > > > I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and the > mission numbers they flew. > > > > It appears your father-in-law's tour of duty with the 303rd overlapped, > somewhat, with my father's tour; but, they may never have flown > together. > > > Bill Twomey > > Adel, GA > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching > > the > > 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the later > > half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that most of > > his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed away. I > > would > > like for someone, if possible, to give me contact information for Tyler > > L. > > Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have found that Tyler Weems has > > supplied several photos of flight crews which included both his father > > and > > my father-in law. > > > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > > > Best Southern regards, > > > > Joel Coleman > > Winston, GA > > 770-778-4116 > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 06:02:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 05:58:00 From tlweems at tx.rr.com Fri Jul 24 17:06:36 2009 From: tlweems at tx.rr.com (Tyler L. Weems) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:06:37 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: <4A69E16A.12601.20F3D44@localhost> References: <4A69E16A.12601.20F3D44@localhost> Message-ID: <4A6A3E7C.8030909@tx.rr.com> From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 24 17:21:24 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:23:58 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems References: <292886.91812.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C5CF7FFA8194205830BA76EB1722992@joelwksol0qarl> Click on this link and you can read about that dreadful mission #248 on Sept. 28th,1944 ......... click here: http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/248.pdf I will talk with my father-in-law, (Kirkland Price) and see what he remembers about that particular mission. I will post what I learn for you. Joel Coleman Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Twomey" To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems Bill - Am I reading your message correctly to say that the only two planes that made it back were: 1 from the 360th and the one from the 358th that my Dad was on? Bill Twomey > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:40:22 -0700 > From: j4cubguy@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > I would like to know more about the mission also, if possible. John > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, Bill Jones wrote: > > > From: Bill Jones > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> > Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:29 PM > > > I think that I'd have to mention here that John Twomley, Thomas Weems, > AND Kirkland Price all flew on the Sept 28 1944 Magdeburg mission. On > that mission, the 360th BS flew the low squadron of 12 planes, 10 from > the 360th and 2 from the 358th. Of the 12 planes, only 2 returned. > Fontanna's lead plane was apparently damaged and couldn't keep up with > the formation, and got separated, but somehow got back, with both Weems > and Price on board. I've read many things about that mission. It must > have been one heck of a ride. It also must have been equally disturbing > for the ground crews waiting for their planes to return, with only 2 > making it back. > I'd really like to hear mr Price's recollection of the mission. > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > I see your dad was in the 358th and my father-in-law was in the 360th. > > They probably were on some of the same missions. Most of Mr. Price's > > missions were with the Fontana crew. God bless them all for their > > service. > > > > Joel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Twomey" > > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > > > Joel: > > > > > > > > I looked at my father's (John Twomey) crew on the 303rd's site and the > > mission numbers they flew. > > > > > > > > It appears your father-in-law's tour of duty with the 303rd > > overlapped, somewhat, with my father's tour; but, they may never > > have flown together. > > > > > > Bill Twomey > > > > Adel, GA > > > > > > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:47:23 -0400 > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems > > > > > > > > > My name is Joel Coleman and I live in Georgia. I have been researching > > > the 303rd for my father-in-law who completed his missions during the > > > later half of 1944. His name is Kirkland T. Price. I have learned that > > > most of his flight crews, and his best pals of the day, have passed > > > away. I would like for someone, if possible, to give me contact > > > information for Tyler L. Weems, son of S/sgt Thomas L. Weems. I have > > > found that Tyler Weems has supplied several photos of flight crews > > > which included both his father and my father-in law. > > > > > > Mr. Price is still living in Georgia and he is in good health. > > > > > > Thank you for any help you can be, > > > > > > Best Southern regards, > > > > > > Joel Coleman > > > Winston, GA > > > 770-778-4116 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.25/2256 - Release Date: > > 07/23/09 06:02:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > Sweden Maine > wejones@megalink.net > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > 303rdBG page > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 05:58:00 From wejones at eskerridge.com Fri Jul 24 17:27:59 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:28:36 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: References: <292886.91812.qm@web53201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6A0B3F.7869.2B2A53C@localhost> > > Bill - > > > > Am I reading your message correctly to say that the only two planes > that made it back were: 1 from the 360th and the one from the 358th > that my Dad was on? I think I phrased it slightly wrong. John Twomley flew with a different squadron. Of the 12 planes in the low squadron led by Fontanna, the two planes that came back were both from the 360th, and 8 360th planes and 2 358th planes were lost. I just thought it was interesting that all three people mentioned in this discussion were all on this unfortunate mission, but only two in the low squadron. My father was at the 303rd at the time, but hadn't flown a mission yet, but after the 360th lost 8 crews he flew his first a few days later. His first mission as a squadron lead was a checkout with Fontanna, many months later, and Weems was also on that mission, which is what caught my attention to the connections here. Before I found this 303rd forum, I had purchased the 360thBS microfilm from Maxwell, and I remember going to a library to print out pages, and after I left the library, I was trying to read the pages while walking along the steet to a meeting I had to attend, and when I came to the description of the Magdeburg mission, I remember just stopping on the street and saying WOW! Of all the 303rd missions I've read about, the Magdeburg mission, and the collission between the 360th and 427th plane in early Apr of 45 are the two that made the greatest impression on me. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From wejones at eskerridge.com Fri Jul 24 17:50:45 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:51:17 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite Message-ID: <4A6A1095.15932.2C77B57@localhost> I thought that the following might be of interest, in light of the recent death of Walter Cronkite. When I was reading through the reels of microfilm I purchased from Maxwell AFB, I ran across the following: http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/quinine.html Interesting story. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From glm at 303rdbg.com Fri Jul 24 17:57:45 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Fri Jul 24 17:57:47 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite In-Reply-To: <4A6A1095.15932.2C77B57@localhost> References: <4A6A1095.15932.2C77B57@localhost> Message-ID: <4A6A4A79.1070408@303rdbg.com> Thanks Bill, great story. Keep your eyes open for a Cronkie article called, "Nine Crying Boys and a B-17" or something similar to that. It's about the death of pilot Don Stockton, who was Cronkite's friend at Molesworth. We've looked for a copy of that story for 12 years without success. Gary *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* Bill Jones wrote: > I thought that the following might be of interest, in light of the > recent death of Walter Cronkite. > When I was reading through the reels of microfilm I purchased from > Maxwell AFB, I ran across the following: > > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/quinine.html > > Interesting story. > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > Sweden Maine > wejones@megalink.net > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > 303rdBG page > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Fri Jul 24 19:23:07 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Fri Jul 24 19:25:39 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler Weems Message-ID: <057E2D0A4467413F9335B24F73E212F9@joelwksol0qarl> You wrote: > > Of all the 303rd missions I've read about, the Magdeburg mission, and >> the collision between the 360th and 427th plane in early Apr of 45 are >> the two that made the greatest impression on me. >> Bill Jones N3JLQ >> Sweden Maine Bill, The mission you are referring to above, I believe, was mission # 305 on January 21, 1945. I had also learned about this accident in researching information on my father-in-law, Kirkland Price. It turns out that Mr. Price's last mission was Dec. 31, 1944, exactly 3 weeks before the accident which downed two B-17s. Most all of his missions were with the Fontana crew which was Co-Piloted by, 1st Lt. Richard H. Cambron. Lt. Cambron happened to be Co-Pilot on one of the planes which collided, and he died that day. He is buried in Lorraine American Cemetery and Memorial, France. You may click here to see his headstone http://www.303rdbg.com/cem-lo-cambron.jpg You can also read about mission 305 by clicking here http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/305.pdf Joel Coleman From billrunnels at yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 20:21:41 2009 From: billrunnels at yahoo.com (bill runnels) Date: Fri Jul 24 20:21:42 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] the first 10 In-Reply-To: <614274.16562.qm@web53206.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512581.74081.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John, I think the learning curve varied with the crew position. In case of the bombardier, I felt comfortable in completing my assigned duties after the third mission. By this time I had?developed a routine that worked on each of the following missions. ? Bill ? Bombardier --- On Fri, 7/24/09, John Mcenaney wrote: From: John Mcenaney Subject: [303rd-Talk] the first 10 To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 4:43 PM What were the first ten mission like? I'm sure there was a learning curve......John ? ? ? _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From tlweems at tx.rr.com Fri Jul 24 20:32:10 2009 From: tlweems at tx.rr.com (Tyler L. Weems) Date: Fri Jul 24 20:32:10 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler L. Weems In-Reply-To: <4A69E16A.12601.20F3D44@localhost> References: <4A69E16A.12601.20F3D44@localhost> Message-ID: <4A6A6EAA.1090908@tx.rr.com> The mission to Magdeburg is one of the few things I can recall from the one time my grandfather, Thomas Weems, told me about the war when I was too young to understand the importance of the information he was giving me. (I was probably 5 at the time.) He mentioned this mission was the only time he considered getting out of the plane. He said if he would have been able to get out, he would have. However, by the time he was able to get up and move to an exit, Fontana was able to regain control. In a letter Robert Perry wrote to my grandfather he mentioned returning "alone, on two props, and that gaping hole in our starboard wing." Tyler Bill Jones wrote: > I think that I'd have to mention here that John Twomley, Thomas Weems, > AND Kirkland Price all flew on the Sept 28 1944 Magdeburg mission. On > that mission, the 360th BS flew the low squadron of 12 planes, 10 from > the 360th and 2 from the 358th. Of the 12 planes, only 2 returned. > Fontanna's lead plane was apparently damaged and couldn't keep up with > the formation, and got separated, but somehow got back, with both Weems > and Price on board. I've read many things about that mission. It must > have been one heck of a ride. It also must have been equally disturbing > for the ground crews waiting for their planes to return, with only 2 > making it back. > I'd really like to hear mr Price's recollection of the mission. From wejones at eskerridge.com Sat Jul 25 07:54:46 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Sat Jul 25 07:55:18 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler Weems In-Reply-To: <057E2D0A4467413F9335B24F73E212F9@joelwksol0qarl> Message-ID: <4A6AD666.31566.7F0891@localhost> > > > Of all the 303rd missions I've read about, the Magdeburg mission, > > > and > >> the collision between the 360th and 427th plane in early Apr of 45 > >> are the two that made the greatest impression on me. Bill Jones > >> N3JLQ Sweden Maine > > Bill, > > The mission you are referring to above, I believe, was mission # 305 on > January 21, 1945. I had also learned about this accident in researching > information on my father-in-law, Kirkland Price. .... .... > ..... You may click here to see his headstone > http://www.303rdbg.com/cem-lo-cambron.jpg You can also read about > mission 305 by clicking here > http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/305.pdf Thanks. I hadn't read about that crash before. But no, the one I was referring to was in early april, ie http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/353.pdf What I found so interesting about this accident, was not so much the story of the accident, but the stories connecting different people to the accident. I first learned about this accident when trying to look up a fellow, Ralph Johnson, who had flown with my father, a fellow that my father had taken a couple pictures of. When I looked him up, I found that he had been originally on the Lacker crew, ie: http://www.303rdbg.com/360lacker.html One look at the picture of that crew, and the picture of the fellow holding the doll, makes that accident seem special, but then I read a question from a relative of an airman from the 427th, who wanted to find out anything about his service, so I researched his name, and found out that he had been aboard the 427th plane involved in the collission. Later, I was trying to help someone else find out something about their relative, looked him up and he turned out to be the Sgt Bonner. Asked what he was doing on the plane, I found out that he had been transferred to the plane because he apparently was fluent in German, and served as some kind of translator. Then, on this forum, I met our own Bill Runnels, who was the original bombardier on the lacker crew, but had transferred off that crew since real bombardiers were generally used in lead crews. Then, I learned that the Ralph Johnson that I was originally looking for, was flying as a tailgunner officer observer in the lead plane in that squadron that day, and witnessed his old crew going down. Each time I look up people who flew with my father, I keep running into connections to the Lacker crew, such as another pilot my father kept a picture of, who flew the day before and after the Magdeburg mission, and later flew three missions as copilot with my father. There is a picture of this pilot on the 303rdbg web page indicating that apparently he was assigned as pilot with much of the Lacker crew several days before the accident, but for some reason, he never flew with them. Basically, the collission just seemed to be linked to so many different stories of people who might have been on that flight, and people who were transferred onto that crew from other crews. I just have this feeling that there are still some untold stories associated with this ill fated mission. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From hasusskind at hotmail.com Sat Jul 25 10:40:43 2009 From: hasusskind at hotmail.com (harold susskind) Date: Sat Jul 25 10:40:45 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler Weems In-Reply-To: <4A6AD666.31566.7F0891@localhost> References: <057E2D0A4467413F9335B24F73E212F9@joelwksol0qarl> <4A6AD666.31566.7F0891@localhost> Message-ID: Pardon me: But I just read the dialogue and I was wondering if it was the same war I flew in. One refers to (a real Bombardier) What is a real Bombardier? I flew 41 missions as a navigator. But I went to both schools so I was dual rated. Am I real Bombardier? Thjere was a i42nd mission. I flew a thousand miles out of Bermuda at night. I dropped Blood plasma on the deck of a Swedsh ship and saved a seaman's life. Yhr 393rd's history is well covered. Among the sources are" Gary Moncur's web site, Might in Flight book by Harry Gobrecht, 25 years of News letters. If it is not in one of those--it didn't happen. Hal Susskind > From: wejones@eskerridge.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:54:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler Weems > > > > > > Of all the 303rd missions I've read about, the Magdeburg > mission, > > > > and > > >> the collision between the 360th and 427th plane in early Apr of 45 > > >> are the two that made the greatest impression on me. Bill Jones > > >> N3JLQ Sweden Maine > > > > Bill, > > > > The mission you are referring to above, I believe, was mission # 305 on > > January 21, 1945. I had also learned about this accident in researching > > information on my father-in-law, Kirkland Price. .... > .... > > ..... You may click here to see his headstone > > http://www.303rdbg.com/cem-lo-cambron.jpg You can also read about > > mission 305 by clicking here > > http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/305.pdf > > Thanks. I hadn't read about that crash before. But no, the one I was > referring to was in early april, ie > > http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/353.pdf > > What I found so interesting about this accident, was not so much the > story of the accident, but the stories connecting different people to > the accident. I first learned about this accident when trying to look > up a fellow, Ralph Johnson, who had flown with my father, a fellow that > my father had taken a couple pictures of. When I looked him up, I found > that he had been originally on the Lacker crew, ie: > > http://www.303rdbg.com/360lacker.html > > One look at the picture of that crew, and the picture of the fellow > holding the doll, makes that accident seem special, but then I read a > question from a relative of an airman from the 427th, who wanted to > find out anything about his service, so I researched his name, and > found out that he had been aboard the 427th plane involved in the > collission. Later, I was trying to help someone else find out > something about their relative, looked him up and he turned out to be > the Sgt Bonner. Asked what he was doing on the plane, I found out that > he had been transferred to the plane because he apparently was fluent > in German, and served as some kind of translator. Then, on this forum, > I met our own Bill Runnels, who was the original bombardier on the > lacker crew, but had transferred off that crew since real bombardiers > were generally used in lead crews. Then, I learned that the Ralph > Johnson that I was originally looking for, was flying as a tailgunner > officer observer in the lead plane in that squadron that day, and > witnessed his old crew going down. Each time I look up people who flew > with my father, I keep running into connections to the Lacker crew, > such as another pilot my father kept a picture of, who flew the day > before and after the Magdeburg mission, and later flew three missions > as copilot with my father. There is a picture of this pilot on the > 303rdbg web page indicating that apparently he was assigned as pilot > with much of the Lacker crew several days before the accident, but for > some reason, he never flew with them. > Basically, the collission just seemed to be linked to so many > different stories of people who might have been on that flight, and > people who were transferred onto that crew from other crews. I just > have this feeling that there are still some untold stories associated > with this ill fated mission. > > > > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > Sweden Maine > wejones@megalink.net > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > 303rdBG page > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports From IBSPEC at aol.com Sat Jul 25 10:42:12 2009 From: IBSPEC at aol.com (IBSPEC@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 10:42:16 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite Message-ID: could a copy be in the national library of congress? have you inquired of c b s archives? the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From glm at 303rdbg.com Sat Jul 25 10:46:59 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat Jul 25 10:47:02 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> Spec, We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. Gary *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > have you inquired of c b s archives? > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From coleman at speedyquick.net Sat Jul 25 10:58:09 2009 From: coleman at speedyquick.net (coleman) Date: Sat Jul 25 10:58:22 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] by Walter Kronkite Message-ID: <47FA99EE03864388941DFBF1D55592AB@loyde356067fb6> 'Quinine' Flew Back to a Sea Burial By Walter L. Cronkite United Press Staff Writer A USAAF Bomber Station, England, June 30---- A little old lady stood on the pebbled beach with a glass of rum in her hand. From the surf, his hair matted with salt water and his flying suit dripping, walked a young American pilot. The little old lady handed him the glass of rum and said, "I've been saving this for just such an occasion". Thus ended the saga of the Flying Fortress, "Quinine----The Bitter Dose". George V. Stallings Jr, of Rowayton, Conn., the pilot, got the rum. A quarter of an hour before, after all his crew had jumped from their shell-splatered ship, he headed her out to sea and followed them. They landed on the coast but he fell a half mile from shore and before he could unbuckle his parachute it had dragged him another half mile. Although he knew the rescue launch would soon be there, Stallings started swimming and reached shore before the launch reached him. He walked into the helping arms of half a dozen Britishers who had watched the lonely drama in the skies until 'Quinine' plunged into the sea. This all happened Friday after the Fortress raid on northwest Germany. But here's the story in Stalling's own words: " We were hit when we were somewhere in those awful clouds over Germany. Enemy fighters blew the rudder off the ship and knocked a big hole in the stabilizer. There were 20mm bursts all through the ship, and the smell of cordite was so strong that Joe (Co-Pilot 2/Lt Joe E. Bradbury, of Besley, Ohio) and I almost passed out. But that was the least of our worries, because just then another shell severed the control cables. The rudder pedals fell limp under our feet and the control column just dropped loose against the dashboard. The ship was out of control for a couple of minutes, and the crew kept asking on the intercom, 'Now?' But Joe and I were too busy to answer. About that time Stick (S/Sgt John J. Stickler, of Johnstown, Pa) called up from the tail, 'Pieces are flying off the ship back here.' "That didn't help our morale any. We headed home then, jumping from cloud to cloud and hiding from the Germans, but they were getting shots in at us, and one started a fire in the radio room. All the boys were sticking to their posts and knew that Joe and I were busy, so they didn't even bother to tell us about it. "A minute before, one of the gunners had another narrow excape when a 20mm shell took eight inches off the end of his machine gun. "We got a 20mm hit in the nose about then that smashed the navigator's desk, shredded the maps and left Jim Kelley (Navigator 2/Lt James F. Kelley of Silver Springs, Md.) with only a mercator map to get us home. "We started lightening the ship by throwing guns, cameras, the spare radio and everything else that was loose overboard. We realized then there was little chance of getting home and started making plans to bail out, because Joe and I knew we could not control the craft well enough to land her. "Then came the severest shock of all when we found the escape door stuck and the bomb bay door also jammed. We finally managed to get the bomb bay doors open just as we reached England and two of the boys went out each side behind the injured gunner to give him help when he reached the ground. The others bailed out then, and I headed 'Quinine' out to sea. We wanted to get the radioman's body overboard by parachute but that was impossible, so out at sea I bid him and the ship goodbye and managed somehow to keep the ship under control while I strapped on a 'chute and hurried down to the open bomb bay doors. The 'Quinine' circled me once and then plunged into the sea." All the crew members landed safely and the injured gunner is recovering in the hospital. Other members of the crew were 2/Lt Frank E Kulesa of Detroit, bombardier; T/Sgt James A Watson of Houlton, Me, top turret gunner; ball turret gunner T/Sgt. Arthur S. Stevens, of Jefferson City, Mo.; waist gunner S/Sgt Robert H. Yattaw, of Minneapolis; and nose gunner T/Sgt Michael S. HLastala, of Uniontown, Pa. From IBSPEC at aol.com Sat Jul 25 10:59:09 2009 From: IBSPEC at aol.com (IBSPEC@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 10:59:18 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite Message-ID: i should have recalled how thorough and dedicated you are and have been about 303rders. forgive my un thoughtful comments. best wishes for you and families enjoyable summer,safe travels and sustained good health, SPEC" **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From ljnewell at hotmail.com Sat Jul 25 11:01:27 2009 From: ljnewell at hotmail.com (Leslie Jean Newell) Date: Sat Jul 25 11:01:29 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about these missions, or have relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they could tell me? Missions 273 274 277 278 279 281 282 285 286 287 290 291 292 295 296 298A 298B 299 301 302 303 304 306 307 310 311 312 313 321 322 323 323 326 327 Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. Leslie Jean Newell Hendersonville, NC > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > Spec, > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > Gary > > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > Steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > yExcfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports From ratwood407 at aol.com Sat Jul 25 11:43:05 2009 From: ratwood407 at aol.com (ratwood407@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 11:43:29 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] (no subject) Message-ID: <8CBDB6680075693-199C-2029@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone remember flying missions with the 351st BG(H) from Feb 07 45 to 17 April 45? Chuck Atwood From ratwood407 at aol.com Sat Jul 25 11:43:05 2009 From: ratwood407 at aol.com (ratwood407@aol.com) Date: Sat Jul 25 11:43:29 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] (no subject) Message-ID: <8CBDB6680075693-199C-2029@WEBMAIL-DY15.sysops.aol.com> Does anyone remember flying missions with the 351st BG(H) from Feb 07 45 to 17 April 45? Chuck Atwood From wejones at eskerridge.com Sat Jul 25 13:40:50 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Sat Jul 25 13:41:26 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Looking for Tyler Weems In-Reply-To: References: <4A6AD666.31566.7F0891@localhost> Message-ID: <4A6B2782.23632.1BBDD84@localhost> > > Pardon me: > But I just read the dialogue and I was wondering if it was the same war > I flew in. One refers to (a real Bombardier) What is a real > Bombardier? I flew 41 missions as a navigator. But I went to both > schools so I was dual rated. Am I real Bombardier? Sorry.. Perhaps a poor choice of words. I was trying to differentiate between bombardiers and togglers. Perhaps I've been misinformed, but I was under the impression that there were officers trained as bombardiers, but that later in the war the bombardiers were deemed necessary only on the lead and deputy lead planes, and on the other planes in a squadron the bombardiers were often replaced by "togglers" that didn't undergo quite as much training as that which bombardiers went through. Anyway, that's what I was trying to differentiate between, ie bombardiers vs togglers, as I think that was the reason that bombardiers were often pulled off crews after they reached Molesworth, such as in this example, since the Lacker crew's bombardier was replaced by a toggler. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From wejones at eskerridge.com Sat Jul 25 13:40:50 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Sat Jul 25 13:41:36 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite In-Reply-To: <4A6A4A79.1070408@303rdbg.com> References: <4A6A1095.15932.2C77B57@localhost> Message-ID: <4A6B2782.16807.1BBDCB9@localhost> > Thanks Bill, great story. Keep your eyes open for a Cronkie article > called, "Nine Crying Boys and a B-17" or something similar to that. > It's about the death of pilot Don Stockton, who was Cronkite's friend at > Molesworth. We've looked for a copy of that story for 12 years without > success. The newspaper clipping I posted was from the 360thBS microfilm that's available from Maxwell AFB. It was in a journal type notebook that the squadron used to record details about the day to day activities of the squadron, including mission loading lists, and narratives of the mission, etc. This journal only covered the period back in the US before moving to Molesworth thru about Sept of 1943 I think. The photos of the pages of this book found on the microfilm showed that they often attached newspaper clippings that had mention of the various missions. So I'd think that the best place to find a copy would be in the 427th BS microfilm, assuming that they had a similar way of keeping records. I only have the 360th and about half of the 359th microfilm, and don't have any of the 427th microfilm. It is pretty obvious though, that the 360th and 359th microfilm show different methods of keeping records, at least in the last year of the war, so the 427th may not have kept a similar journal, or they may not have attached newspaper clippings. But hopefully someone has a copy of the 427th microfilm, and can look there. The microfilm images are often in very poor condition, and it's hard to read, which is why I transcribed the article into text. Whoever did the photo-copy work to create the microfilm had a tough job, and would often take multiple pictures of a page, once showing the clipping, again with the clipping folded back to see the hand-writing on the journal pages under the clipping. Initially, I had to drive 40 miles to a library, and pay an expensive fee to make copies of the microfilm pages, but eventually I bought a cheap microfilm viewer on EBAY, however my viewer is just for viewing, and doesn't make copies, however I can take pictures of the screen, plus I have a computer scanner made to copy 35mm slides, which works fairly well to make copies, although the resolution isn't quite as good as I'd like. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From j4cubguy at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 18:53:04 2009 From: j4cubguy at yahoo.com (John Mcenaney) Date: Sat Jul 25 18:53:06 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite Message-ID: <682093.4454.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Gary, Have you tried the imperial war museum in the UK? just a thought, John --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Gary Moncur wrote: From: Gary Moncur Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:46 PM Spec, We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office.? No one can locate it. Gary *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > could a copy be in the national library of congress? >? have you inquired of c b s archives? >? the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > yExcfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > >??? _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From glm at 303rdbg.com Sat Jul 25 19:18:02 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat Jul 25 19:18:05 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite In-Reply-To: <682093.4454.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <682093.4454.qm@web53203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A6BAECA.1000208@303rdbg.com> No, When Mr Cronkite's staff couldn't find it, we stopped looking. I hadn't thought about it for a few years until this thread came up. Someday it will turn up. Thanks for the suggestions. Gary ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* John Mcenaney wrote: > Gary, Have you tried the imperial war museum in the UK? just a thought, John > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Gary Moncur wrote: > > > From: Gary Moncur > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:46 PM > > > Spec, > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > Gary > > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > >> could a copy be in the national library of congress? >> have you inquired of c b s archives? >> the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? >> **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul >> yExcfooterNO62) >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 25 19:53:33 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Sat Jul 25 19:56:07 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> Mrs. Newell, My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking on the link beside each. 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf Regards, Joel Coleman Georgia Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about these missions, or have relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they could tell me? Missions 273 274 277 278 279 281 282 285 286 287 290 291 292 295 296 298A 298B 299 301 302 303 304 306 307 310 311 312 313 321 322 323 323 326 327 Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. Leslie Jean Newell Hendersonville, NC > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > Spec, > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > Gary > > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > Steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > yExcfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 05:58:00 From glm at 303rdbg.com Sat Jul 25 20:18:27 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sat Jul 25 20:18:30 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Bud Klint Message-ID: <4A6BBCF3.4020207@303rdbg.com> Just received word that Wilbur "Bud" Klint passed away on the 21st. He was 90 years old. Some of you may have known Bud and Mary from many years at 303rd reunions. Bud was a former President of the Association. Sad day for those of us who knew him . . . a great guy. Gary -- ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* From twomey45 at msn.com Sat Jul 25 20:21:35 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Sat Jul 25 20:21:38 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> Message-ID: Mrs. Newell: Much as Joel said - My father, John Twomey, flew on the following missions, although your father was not onboard the same plane. 273 274 277 281 Regards, Bill Twomey > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 > > Mrs. Newell, > > My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, > only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking > on the link beside each. > > 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf > 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf > 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf > 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf > 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf > 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf > 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf > 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > Regards, > > Joel Coleman > Georgia > > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the > end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about these missions, or have > relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they > could tell me? > > > > Missions > > > 273 > 274 > 277 > 278 > 279 > 281 > 282 > 285 > 286 > 287 > 290 > 291 > 292 > 295 > 296 > 298A > 298B > 299 > 301 > 302 > 303 > 304 > 306 > 307 > 310 > 311 > 312 > 313 > 321 > 322 > 323 > 323 > 326 > 327 > > Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. > > Leslie Jean Newell > Hendersonville, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > > From: glm@303rdbg.com > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > > > Spec, > > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > > > Gary > > > > *Gary L. Moncur* > > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > > glm@303rdBG.com > > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > > Steps! > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > > yExcfooterNO62) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? 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Check it out. > http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > 05:58:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From jhelms2196 at aol.com Sun Jul 26 09:42:37 2009 From: jhelms2196 at aol.com (jhelms2196@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 09:43:09 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> Message-ID: <8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> I have corresponded from time to time with this group about my father John R. Helms.? I have done a good deal of research and my father always told me he started as a co-pilot and ended up a pilot in Molesworth during WWII.? I think I have found why I could never see any of his missions as a pilot.? Again, my father was John R. Helms and there are a number of missions recorded for him both with the crew he was assigned and as an combat experienced co-pilot.? I found that he was the only John Helms listed on the base roster, but a John E. Helms appeared on some of the missions as a pilot durning the time that he was in England.? I now think that the John E. Helms should really have been John R. Helms.? The E and R key are next to each other on the typewriter (computer) keyboard and I now think this is a clerical error where when these reports were typed, the E key was mistakenly keyed as opposed to the R key which would have been correct.? I have even been in contact with a gentleman who said he was a bombadier on some of the missions on which my father was the pilot.? I am now convinced that he flew on missions from Mission No. 180 to Mission 290 some of which as a co-pilot and some as a pilot.? I hope that someone will comment on the possibility of my theory.?? John R. Helms, Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073\ www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original20Message----- From: Bill Twomey To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 rs. Newell: Much as Joel said - My father, John Twomey, flew on the following missions, although your father was not onboard the same plane. 273 274 277 281 Regards, Bill Twomey From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 Mrs. Newell, My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking on the link beside each. 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf Regards, Joel Coleman Georgia Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about these missions, or have relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they could tell me? Missions 273 274 277 278 279 281 282 285 286 287 290 291 292 295 296 298A 298B 299 301 302 303 304 306 307 310 311 312 313 321 322 323 323 326 327 Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. Leslie Jean Newell Hendersonville, NC > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > Spec, > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > Gary > > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 05:58:00 _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk ______________________________________________ 03rd-Talk mailing list 03rd-Talk@303rdBG.com ttp://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From glm at 303rdbg.com Sun Jul 26 09:54:03 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun Jul 26 09:54:07 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: <8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> <8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A6C7C1B.1050204@303rdbg.com> John, I can check for you and will try to later today. I have copies of the mission reports. Back then it was not so much hitting the wrong key as trying to read old copies of old carbon copies. I'll be gone for a couple of hours but will try to check later on. Gary ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > I have corresponded from time to time with this group about my father John R. Helms. I have done a good deal of research and my father always told me he started as a co-pilot and ended up a pilot in Molesworth during WWII. I think I have found why I could never see any of his missions as a pilot. > > Again, my father was John R. Helms and there are a number of missions recorded for him both with the crew he was assigned and as an combat experienced co-pilot. I found that he was the only John Helms listed on the base roster, but a John E. Helms appeared on some of the missions as a pilot durning the time that he was in England. I now think that the John E. Helms should really have been John R. Helms. The E and R key are next to each other on the typewriter (computer) keyboard and I now think this is a clerical error where when these reports were typed, the E key was mistakenly keyed as opposed to the R key which would have been correct. I have even been in contact with a gentleman who said he was a bombadier on some of the missions on which my father was the pilot. I am now convinced that he flew on missions from Mission No. 180 to Mission 290 some of which as a co-pilot and some as a pilot. > > I hope that someone will comment on the possibility of my theory. > > > John R. Helms, Alderman > City of Florence, Mississippi > Florence, MS 39073\ > www.helmsforflorence.com > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > > -----Original20Message----- > From: Bill Twomey > To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 9:21 pm > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > > rs. Newell: > > Much as Joel said - My father, John Twomey, flew on the following missions, > although your father was not onboard the same plane. > > 273 > 274 > 277 > 281 > > Regards, > Bill Twomey > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 > > Mrs. Newell, > > My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, > only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking > on the link beside each. > > 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf > 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf > 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf > 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf > 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf > 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf > 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf > 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > Regards, > > Joel Coleman > Georgia > > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the > end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about > these missions, or have > relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they > could tell me? > > > > Missions > > > 273 > 274 > 277 > 278 > 279 > 281 > 282 > 285 > 286 > 287 > 290 > 291 > 292 > 295 > 296 > 298A > 298B > 299 > 301 > 302 > 303 > 304 > 306 > 307 > 310 > 311 > 312 > 313 > 321 > 322 > 323 > 323 > 326 > 327 > > Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. > > Leslie Jean Newell > Hendersonville, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > > From: glm@303rdbg.com > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > > > Spec, > > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > > > Gary > > > > *Gary L. Moncur* > > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > > glm@303rdBG.com > > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > > Steps! > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > > yExcfooterNO62) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? 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Check it out. > http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > 05:58:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > ______________________________________________ > 03rd-Talk mailing list > 03rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > ttp://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From twomey45 at msn.com Sun Jul 26 10:35:32 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Sun Jul 26 10:35:35 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: <4A6C7C1B.1050204@303rdbg.com> References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> <8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6C7C1B.1050204@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: Wow. Time flies. I had almost forgotten carbon paper and carbon copies. (Onion skin paper,etc) YES - They were usually of poor quality - especially compared to what we enjoy now. > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:54:03 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > John, > I can check for you and will try to later today. I have copies of the > mission reports. Back then it was not so much hitting the wrong key as > trying to read old copies of old carbon copies. I'll be gone for a > couple of hours but will try to check later on. > > Gary > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > > I have corresponded from time to time with this group about my father John R. Helms. I have done a good deal of research and my father always told me he started as a co-pilot and ended up a pilot in Molesworth during WWII. I think I have found why I could never see any of his missions as a pilot. > > > > Again, my father was John R. Helms and there are a number of missions recorded for him both with the crew he was assigned and as an combat experienced co-pilot. I found that he was the only John Helms listed on the base roster, but a John E. Helms appeared on some of the missions as a pilot durning the time that he was in England. I now think that the John E. Helms should really have been John R. Helms. The E and R key are next to each other on the typewriter (computer) keyboard and I now think this is a clerical error where when these reports were typed, the E key was mistakenly keyed as opposed to the R key which would have been correct. I have even been in contact with a gentleman who said he was a bombadier on some of the missions on which my father was the pilot. I am now convinced that he flew on missions from Mission No. 180 to Mission 290 some of which as a co-pilot and some as a pilot. > > > > I hope that someone will comment on the possibility of my theory. > > > > > > John R. Helms, Alderman > > City of Florence, Mississippi > > Florence, MS 39073\ > > www.helmsforflorence.com > > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > > > > > -----Original20Message----- > > From: Bill Twomey > > To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > > Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 9:21 pm > > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > > > > > > > rs. Newell: > > > > Much as Joel said - My father, John Twomey, flew on the following missions, > > although your father was not onboard the same plane. > > > > 273 > > 274 > > 277 > > 281 > > > > Regards, > > Bill Twomey > > > > > > > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 > > > > Mrs. Newell, > > > > My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, > > only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking > > on the link beside each. > > > > 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf > > 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf > > 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf > > 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf > > 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf > > 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf > > 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf > > 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > > > Regards, > > > > Joel Coleman > > Georgia > > > > > > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > > > > > My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the > > end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about > > these missions, or have > > relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they > > could tell me? > > > > > > > > Missions > > > > > > 273 > > 274 > > 277 > > 278 > > 279 > > 281 > > 282 > > 285 > > 286 > > 287 > > 290 > > 291 > > 292 > > 295 > > 296 > > 298A > > 298B > > 299 > > 301 > > 302 > > 303 > > 304 > > 306 > > 307 > > 310 > > 311 > > 312 > > 313 > > 321 > > 322 > > 323 > > 323 > > 326 > > 327 > > > > Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. > > > > Leslie Jean Newell > > Hendersonville, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > > > From: glm@303rdbg.com > > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > > > > > Spec, > > > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > *Gary L. Moncur* > > > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > > > glm@303rdBG.com > > > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > > > > > > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > > > Steps! > > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > > > yExcfooterNO62) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports > > videos. Check it out. > > http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > > 05:58:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > ______________________________________________ > > 03rd-Talk mailing list > > 03rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > ttp://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From pett at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 26 11:34:06 2009 From: pett at sbcglobal.net (Gary Pett) Date: Sun Jul 26 11:34:08 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 Message-ID: <295676.14936.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mrs. Newell, My father-in-law, Richard J. Garvey, flew as a navigator with the 359th BS. Of his 35 combat missions, 17 coincided with your father-in-laws. I've attached a pdf of a bombing mission report that has been copied from the 303rd BG website. You should be able to find all records there. Good luck with your research. Gary Pett --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Leslie Jean Newell wrote: From: Leslie Jean Newell Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:01 PM My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the end of WWII.? Does anyone remember anything about these missions, or have relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they could tell me? Missions 273 274 277 278 279 281 282 285 286 287 290 291 292 295 296 298A 298B 299 301 302 303 304 306 307 310 311 312 313 321 322 323 323 326 327 Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. Leslie Jean Newell Hendersonville, NC ? > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > Spec, > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > Gary > > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > Steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > yExcfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From hasusskind at hotmail.com Sun Jul 26 11:39:32 2009 From: hasusskind at hotmail.com (harold susskind) Date: Sun Jul 26 11:39:34 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: <4A6C7C1B.1050204@303rdbg.com> References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> <8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6C7C1B.1050204@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: JOHN; IN MIGHT IN FLIGHT shows a John R, Helms as having flown 35 missions with thr 358 sqdn as of 30 August 44. Ed Miller has completed23 books on the 303 maybe his name is listed there.someplace. Iy is listed on the computer. If I can fin it again. I'll let you know Hal Susskind > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:54:03 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > John, > I can check for you and will try to later today. I have copies of the > mission reports. Back then it was not so much hitting the wrong key as > trying to read old copies of old carbon copies. I'll be gone for a > couple of hours but will try to check later on. > > Gary > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > > I have corresponded from time to time with this group about my father John R. Helms. I have done a good deal of research and my father always told me he started as a co-pilot and ended up a pilot in Molesworth during WWII. I think I have found why I could never see any of his missions as a pilot. > > > > Again, my father was John R. Helms and there are a number of missions recorded for him both with the crew he was assigned and as an combat experienced co-pilot. I found that he was the only John Helms listed on the base roster, but a John E. Helms appeared on some of the missions as a pilot durning the time that he was in England. I now think that the John E. Helms should really have been John R. Helms. The E and R key are next to each other on the typewriter (computer) keyboard and I now think this is a clerical error where when these reports were typed, the E key was mistakenly keyed as opposed to the R key which would have been correct. I have even been in contact with a gentleman who said he was a bombadier on some of the missions on which my father was the pilot. I am now convinced that he flew on missions from Mission No. 180 to Mission 290 some of which as a co-pilot and some as a pilot. > > > > I hope that someone will comment on the possibility of my theory. > > > > > > John R. Helms, Alderman > > City of Florence, Mississippi > > Florence, MS 39073\ > > www.helmsforflorence.com > > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > > > > > -----Original20Message----- > > From: Bill Twomey > > To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > > Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 9:21 pm > > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > > > > > > > rs. Newell: > > > > Much as Joel said - My father, John Twomey, flew on the following missions, > > although your father was not onboard the same plane. > > > > 273 > > 274 > > 277 > > 281 > > > > Regards, > > Bill Twomey > > > > > > > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 > > > > Mrs. Newell, > > > > My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, > > only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking > > on the link beside each. > > > > 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf > > 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf > > 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf > > 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf > > 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf > > 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf > > 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf > > 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > > > Regards, > > > > Joel Coleman > > Georgia > > > > > > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > > > > > My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the > > end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about > > these missions, or have > > relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they > > could tell me? > > > > > > > > Missions > > > > > > 273 > > 274 > > 277 > > 278 > > 279 > > 281 > > 282 > > 285 > > 286 > > 287 > > 290 > > 291 > > 292 > > 295 > > 296 > > 298A > > 298B > > 299 > > 301 > > 302 > > 303 > > 304 > > 306 > > 307 > > 310 > > 311 > > 312 > > 313 > > 321 > > 322 > > 323 > > 323 > > 326 > > 327 > > > > Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. > > > > Leslie Jean Newell > > Hendersonville, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > > > From: glm@303rdbg.com > > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > > > > > Spec, > > > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > *Gary L. Moncur* > > > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > > > glm@303rdBG.com > > > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > > > > > > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > > > Steps! > > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > > > yExcfooterNO62) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live? Hotmail?: Search, add, and share the web?s latest sports > > videos. Check it out. > > http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > > 05:58:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > ______________________________________________ > > 03rd-Talk mailing list > > 03rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > ttp://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports From ratwood407 at aol.com Sun Jul 26 11:39:35 2009 From: ratwood407 at aol.com (ratwood407@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 11:39:53 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: <8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com><62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> <8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBDC2F2D384E8D-1164-40D2@FWM-M06.sysops.aol.com> Could you check serial numbers on the orders? Well could be a typo but serial numbers could be the answer. Thesr latest posts have really become interesting reading. They are true history. Chuck Atwood -----Original Message----- From: jhelms2196@aol.com To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 10:42 am Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 I have corresponded from time to time with this group about my father John R. Helms.? I have done a good deal of research and my father always told me he started as a co-pilot and ended up a pilot in Molesworth during WWII.? I think I have found why I could never see any of his missions as a pilot.? Again, my father was John R. Helms and there are a number of missions recorded for him both with the crew he was assigned and as an combat experienced co-pilot.? I found that he was the only John Helms listed on the base roster, but a John E. Helms appeared on some of the missions as a pilot durning the time that he was in England.? I now think that the John E. Helms should really have been John R. Helms.? The E and R key are next to each other on the typewriter (computer) keyboard and I now think this is a clerical error where when these reports were typed, the E key was mistakenly keyed as opposed to the R key which would have been correct.? I have even been in contact with a gentleman wh o said he was a bombadier on some of the missions on which my father was the pilot.? I am now convinced that he flew on missions from Mission No. 180 to Mission 290 some of which as a co-pilot and some as a pilot.? I hope that someone will comment on the possibility of my theory.?? John R. Helms, Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073\ www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original20Message----- From: Bill Twomey To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 rs. Newell: Much as Joel said - My father, John Twomey, flew on the following missions, although your father was not onboard the same plane. 273 274 277 281 Regards, Bill Twomey From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 Mrs. Newell, My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking on the link beside each. 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionr eports/282.pdf 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf Regards, Joel Coleman Georgia Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about these missions, or have relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they could tell me? Missions 273 274 277 278 279 281 282 285 286 287 290 291 292 295 296 298A 298B 299 301 302 303 304 306 307 310 311 312 313 321 322 323 323 326 327 Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. Leslie Jean Newell Hendersonville, NC > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > Spec, > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > Gary > > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > IB SPEC@aol.com wrote: > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 05:58:00 _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk ____________________________________________ __ 03rd-Talk mailing list 03rd-Talk@303rdBG.com ttp://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From jhelms2196 at aol.com Sun Jul 26 12:29:55 2009 From: jhelms2196 at aol.com (jhelms2196@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 12:30:55 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com><62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl><8CBDC1ED64DB94B-1780-49A5@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6C7C1B.1050204@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <8CBDC36352E9160-1780-4E71@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> Thank you so much.? I know this may not seem important to many people, but it really is to me.? It is not that I think any less of any job on a B-17, it is just that I want to know for my memory and those I pass those memories on to what he did during the war.? Thank you again, John R. Helms, Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073\ www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original Message----- From: harold susskind To: 303rd-talk@303rdbg.com Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 OHN; N MIGHT IN FLIGHT shows a John R, Helms as having flown 35 missions with thr 58 sqdn as of 30 August 44. Ed Miller has completed23 books on the 303 maybe is name is listed there.someplace. Iy is listed on the computer. If I can fin t again. I'll let you know Hal Susskind > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:54:03 -0600 From: glm@303rdbg.com To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 John, I can check for you and will try to later today. I have copies of the mission reports. Back then it was not so much hitting the wrong key as trying to read old copies of old carbon copies. I'll be gone for a couple of hours but will try to check later on. Gary ___________ *Gary L. Monc ur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > I have corresponded from time to time with this group about my father John . Helms. I have done a good deal of research and my father always told me he tarted as a co-pilot and ended up a pilot in Molesworth during WWII. I think I ave found why I could never see any of his missions as a pilot. > > Again, my father was John R. Helms and there are a number of missions ecorded for him both with the crew he was assigned and as an combat experienced o-pilot. I found that he was the only John Helms listed on the base roster, ut a John E. Helms appeared on some of the missions as a pilot durning the time hat he was in England. I now think that the John E. Helms should really have een John R. Helms. The E and R key are next to each other on the typewriter computer) keyboard and I now think this is a clerical error where when these eports were typed, the E key was mistakenly keyed as opposed to the R key which ould have been correct. I have even been in contact with a gentleman who said e was a bombadier on some of the missions on which my father was the pilot. I m now convinced that he flew on missions from Mission No. 180 to Mission 290 ome of which as a co-pilot and some as a pilot. > > I hope that someone will comment on the possibility of my theory. > > > John R. Helms, Alderman > City of Florence, Mississippi > Florence, MS 39073\ > www.helmsforflorence.com > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > > -----Original20Message----- > From: Bill Twomey > To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 9:21 pm > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > > rs. Newell: > > Much as Joel said - My father, John Twomey, flew on the following issions, > although your father was not onboard the same lane. > > 273 > 274 > 277 > 281 > > Regards, > Bill Twomey > > > > > > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 > > Mrs. Newell, > > My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, > > only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking > on the link beside each. > > 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf > 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf > 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf > 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf > 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf > 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/m issionreports/290.pdf > 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf > 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > Regards, > > Joel Coleman > Georgia > > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at he > end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about > these missions, or have > relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that hey > could tell me? > > > > Missions > > > 273 > 274 > 277 > 278 > 279 > 281 > 282 > 285 > 286 > 287 > 290 > 291 > 292 > 295 > 296 > 298A > 298B > 299 > 301 > 302 > 303 > 304 > 306 > 307 > 310 > 311 > 312 > 313 > 321 > 322 > 323 > 323 > 326 > 327 > > Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. > > Leslie Jean Newell > Hendersonville, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=2 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > > From: glm@303rdbg.com > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > > > Spec, > > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > > > Gary > > > > *Gary L. Moncur* > > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > > glm@303rdBG.com > > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 asy > > > Steps! > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > > yExcfooterNO62) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? 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Check it out. > http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > 05:58:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > ______________________________________________ > 03rd-Talk mailing list > 03rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > ttp://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ indows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. heck it out. ttp://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports_______________________________________________ 03rd-Talk mailing list 03rd-Talk@303rdBG.com ttp://lists.3 03rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From glm at 303rdbg.com Sun Jul 26 12:50:35 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun Jul 26 12:50:37 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms In-Reply-To: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> John, There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, all now fixed. 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). Regards, Gary ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > Thank you so much! > > John R. Helms, Alderman > City of Florence, Mississippi > Florence, MS 39073\ > www.helmsforflorence.com > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. > See now! > * > From twomey45 at msn.com Sun Jul 26 13:12:32 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Sun Jul 26 13:12:34 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms In-Reply-To: <4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: Gary - I've got high admiration for what you do regarding the 303rd. I'm sure John is "flying high" with the news you've imparted. Those of us who are trying to piece together some of the fabric of our parents' lives appreciate every shred of information. Bill > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:50:35 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: jhelms2196@aol.com > CC: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms > > John, > There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, > all now fixed. > > 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser > Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 > missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, > 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. > Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three > missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total > missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). > > Regards, > Gary > > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > > Thank you so much! > > > > John R. Helms, Alderman > > City of Florence, Mississippi > > Florence, MS 39073\ > > www.helmsforflorence.com > > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. > > See now! > > * > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From jhelms2196 at aol.com Sun Jul 26 13:24:41 2009 From: jhelms2196 at aol.com (jhelms2196@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 13:25:02 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms In-Reply-To: References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com><4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <8CBDC3DDBD452A4-1780-4FF9@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> You are correct Mr. Twomey. It is a big day at my house right now.? I have written my sisters and told them of the news...Thank you all. John R. Helms, Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073\ www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Twomey To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms Gary - I've got high admiration for what you do regarding the 303rd. I'm sure John is "flying high" with the news you've imparted. Those of us who are trying to piece together some of the fabric of our parents' lives appreciate every shred of information. Bill > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:50:35 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: jhelms2196@aol.com > CC: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms > > John, > There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, > all now fixed. > > 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser > Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 > missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, > 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. > Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three > missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total > missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). > > Regards, > Gary > > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > > Thank you so much! > > > > John R. Helms, Alderman > > City of Florence, Mississippi > > Florence, MS 39073\ > > www.helmsforflorence.com > > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. > > See now! > > * > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From glm at 303rdbg.com Sun Jul 26 13:34:00 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Sun Jul 26 13:34:03 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms In-Reply-To: <8CBDC3DDBD452A4-1780-4FF9@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com><4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> <8CBDC3DDBD452A4-1780-4FF9@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A6CAFA8.2050700@303rdbg.com> Thanks to everyone. I am glad to try to help anyone and this was an easy one to solve. My goal here is 100% accuracy, which I know is impossible, but I try. Gary ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: > You are correct Mr. Twomey. > It is a big day at my house right now.? I have written my sisters and told them of the news...Thank you all. > > > > John R. Helms, Alderman > City of Florence, Mississippi > Florence, MS 39073\ > www.helmsforflorence.com > http://blog.helmsforflorence.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Twomey > To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:12 pm > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms > > > > > Gary - > > > > I've got high admiration for what you do regarding the 303rd. > > > > I'm sure John is "flying high" with the news you've imparted. > > > > Those of us who are trying to piece together some of the fabric of > > our parents' lives appreciate every shred of information. > > > > Bill > > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:50:35 -0600 >> From: glm@303rdbg.com >> To: jhelms2196@aol.com >> CC: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com >> Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms >> >> John, >> There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, >> all now fixed. >> >> 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser >> Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 >> missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, >> 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. >> Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three >> missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total >> missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). >> >> Regards, >> Gary >> >> ___________ >> *Gary L. Moncur* >> * 303rd Bomb Group Historian >> glm@303rdBG.com >> www.303rdBG.com* >> >> >> >> jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Thank you so much! >>> >>> John R. Helms, Alderman >>> City of Florence, Mississippi >>> Florence, MS 39073\ >>> www.helmsforflorence.com >>> http://blog.helmsforflorence.com >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. >>> See now! >>> * >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From jhelms2196 at aol.com Sun Jul 26 12:51:37 2009 From: jhelms2196 at aol.com (jhelms2196@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 14:03:28 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Fwd: A Story about Shifty Powers - a hero of WWII In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBDC393D088114-1780-4F15@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> My sister sent this to me.? As I have said in a number of emails and posts, my father was in the 303rd in WWII and later he served in Korea.? My sister that sent this to me was born while he was serving in Korea in '51.? I wanted to pass this story along because I know there were so many heroes that no one will ever no about.? Each of you are heroes to me.? You, whether up in the air or support on the ground or any other of the hundreds of men and women doing there jobs?to complete the final mission of victory, are all heroes!? This is the story of just one hero...you are among the elite heroes that kept this country free during the middle of the last century and EVERYONE should remember that and honor you for your part. Respectfully, John R. Helms, Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073\ www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original Message----- From: HelmsPF@aol.com To: MVInteriors@aol.com; JHelms2196@aol.com; EYE2ELIZ@aol.com Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 10:50 am Subject: Fwd: A Story about Shifty Powers - a hero of WWII An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Attached Message From: EOCBETTY@aol.com To: WAlexan977@aol.com; jalexbellan@bellsouth.net; lwboone@comcast.net; JMBSR@megagate.com; CRONIAMETAAL@charter.net; mndane-114@hotmail.com; tmagoo@earthlink.net; awenochs@gmail.com; Longie130@aol.com; bgotthelf@bellsouth.net; HelmsPF@aol.com; Lsh1949@aol.com; glennagail@denveronline.com; jlmkeeton@gmail.com; TKirk03@bellsouth.net; judy.lacy@comcast.net; aluke@comcast.net; dcmccullen@bellsouth.net; SMcD073046@aol.com; Pmorris933@bellsouth.net; moptofu@gmail.com; mphillips@wilkins-law.com; patpatpierce@bellsouth.net; PMR641@aol.com; joannessamson@gmail.com; AVENTSIM@aol.com; shirley_simpson@hotmail.com; Lindabsmooth@aol.com; alicestaples@live.com; franward@bellsouth.net; wheela@cablelynx.com; dlwolfejr@earthlink.net; cnw829@bellsouth.net Subject: A Story about Shifty Powers - a hero of WWII Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 8:33:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time Darrell "Shifty" Powers.? Shifty volunteered for the airborne in WWII and served with Easy Company of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, part of the 101st Airborne Infantry. If you've seen?Band of Brothers?on HBO or the History Channel, you know Shifty. His character appears in all 10 episodes, and Shifty himself is interviewed in several of them. I met Shifty in the Philadelphia airport several years ago. I didn't know who he was at the time. I just saw an elderly gentleman having trouble reading his ticket. I offered to help, assured him that he was at the right gate, and noticed the "Screaming Eagle," the symbol of the 101st Airborne, on his hat. Making conversation, I asked him if he'd been in the 101st Airborne or if his son was serving. He said quietly that he had been in the 101st. I thanked him for his service, then asked him when he served, and how many jumps he made. Quietly and humbly, he said "Well, I guess I signed up in 1941 or so, and was in until sometime in 1945 . . . " at which point my heart skipped.? At that point, again, very humbly, he said "I made the 5 training jumps at Toccoa, and then jumped into Normandy . . . . do you know where Normandy is?" At this point my heart stopped. I told him yes, I know exactly where Normandy was, and I know what D-Day was. At that point he said "I also made a second jump into Holland , into Arnhem ." I was standing with a genuine war hero . . . . and then I realized that it was June, just after the anniversary of D-Day.? I asked Shifty if he was on his way back from France , and he said "Yes. And it's real sad because these days so few of the guys are left, and those that are, lots of them can't make the trip." My heart was in my throat and I didn't know what to say. I helped Shifty get onto the plane and then realized he was back in Coach, while I was in First Class. I sent the flight attendant back to get him and said that I wanted to switch seats. When Shifty came forward, I got up out of the seat and told him I wanted him to have it, that I'd take his in coach. He said "No, son, you enjoy that seat. Just knowing that there are still some who remember what we did and still care is enough to make an old man very happy." His eyes were filling up as he said it. And mine are brimming up now as I write this. Shifty died on June 17 after fighting cancer. There was no parade. No big event in Staples Center . No wall to wall back to back 24x7 news coverage. No weeping fans on television. Let's give Shifty his own Memorial Service, online, in our own quiet way. Please forward this email to everyone you know. Especially to the veterans. Rest in peace, Shifty. "A nation without heroes is nothing." Roberto Clemente . From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 26 20:05:15 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Sun Jul 26 20:07:52 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: Wow! How great is it to get this kind of information for this family. Mr. Moncur Sir, I would like to ask you to tell me if you can, did Lt. Richard H. Cambron ever made it to Lead Pilot? He was Co-Pilot under Fontana on most all of my father-in-law's missions thru 12/31/1944. He died as Co-Pilot under a different pilot on January 21, 1945, but I had read that he had made it to Lead Pilot. I would like to clear this up and tell my father-in-law. Thank you in advance, Joel Coleman Georgia Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms > John, > There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, > all now fixed. > > 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser > Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 > missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, > 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. > Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three > missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total > missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). > > Regards, > Gary > > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: >> Thank you so much! >> >> John R. Helms, Alderman >> City of Florence, Mississippi >> Florence, MS 39073\ >> www.helmsforflorence.com >> http://blog.helmsforflorence.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. >> See now! >> * >> > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: 07/26/09 11:07:00 From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 26 20:42:34 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Sun Jul 26 20:45:11 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com><4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> <8CBDC3DDBD452A4-1780-4FF9@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6CAFA8.2050700@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <22E53931022D4BD380FB5FCB6E4837DD@joelwksol0qarl> I only joined this email group about a week ago and I have a couple of questions. Approximately how many people are on this group, and how many of those in the group actually served in the 303rd during the war? Joel Coleman Georgia Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms > Thanks to everyone. I am glad to try to help anyone and this was an > easy one to solve. My goal here is 100% accuracy, which I know is > impossible, but I try. > > Gary > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: >> You are correct Mr. Twomey. >> It is a big day at my house right now.? I have written my sisters and >> told them of the news...Thank you all. >> >> >> >> John R. Helms, Alderman >> City of Florence, Mississippi >> Florence, MS 39073\ >> www.helmsforflorence.com >> http://blog.helmsforflorence.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Twomey >> To: 303rd-talk <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 2:12 pm >> Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms >> >> >> >> >> Gary - >> >> >> >> I've got high admiration for what you do regarding the 303rd. >> >> >> >> I'm sure John is "flying high" with the news you've imparted. >> >> >> >> Those of us who are trying to piece together some of the fabric of >> >> our parents' lives appreciate every shred of information. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:50:35 -0600 >>> From: glm@303rdbg.com >>> To: jhelms2196@aol.com >>> CC: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com >>> Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms >>> >>> John, >>> There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, >>> all now fixed. >>> >>> 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser >>> Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 >>> missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, >>> 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. >>> Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three >>> missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total >>> missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). >>> >>> Regards, >>> Gary >>> >>> ___________ >>> *Gary L. Moncur* >>> * 303rd Bomb Group Historian >>> glm@303rdBG.com >>> www.303rdBG.com* >>> >>> >>> >>> jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you so much! >>>> >>>> John R. Helms, Alderman >>>> City of Florence, Mississippi >>>> Florence, MS 39073\ >>>> www.helmsforflorence.com >>>> http://blog.helmsforflorence.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *A bad credit score is 600 & below. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: 07/26/09 11:07:00 From IBSPEC at aol.com Sun Jul 26 21:06:02 2009 From: IBSPEC at aol.com (IBSPEC@aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 26 21:06:23 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms Message-ID: gary, you jit a long one like you always do for the 303rders. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From 303rd-talk at 303rdbg.com Mon Jul 27 09:58:28 2009 From: 303rd-talk at 303rdbg.com (VIAGRA ® Official Site) Date: Mon Jul 27 09:58:29 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] RE: DISCOUNT ID59773 76% 0FF on Pfizer ! Message-ID: From wejones at eskerridge.com Mon Jul 27 11:33:46 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Mon Jul 27 11:34:19 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? Message-ID: <4A6DACBA.925.15DA084@localhost> It seems like there has been some spam getting through onto the mailing list. I was not aware of it because my spam filter was catching it. I don't understand yet how it's getting through, but I'm working on it. I may have to put the list in moderate until I figure out how to stop it. Sorry for the inconvenience. Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From twomey45 at msn.com Mon Jul 27 12:42:22 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Mon Jul 27 15:20:10 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? In-Reply-To: <4A6DACBA.925.15DA084@localhost> References: <4A6DACBA.925.15DA084@localhost> Message-ID: Bill: I don't recall any spam getting through on mine. But, I've got a pretty good filter. Twomey > From: wejones@eskerridge.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:46 -0400 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > > It seems like there has been some spam getting through onto the mailing > list. > I was not aware of it because my spam filter was catching it. > I don't understand yet how it's getting through, but I'm working on it. > I may have to put the list in moderate until I figure out how to stop > it. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > Sweden Maine > wejones@megalink.net > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > 303rdBG page > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From wejones at eskerridge.com Mon Jul 27 15:51:06 2009 From: wejones at eskerridge.com (Bill Jones) Date: Mon Jul 27 16:00:20 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? In-Reply-To: References: <4A6DACBA.925.15DA084@localhost> Message-ID: <4A6DE90A.25706.24939BF@localhost> Thanks. I just noticed one today, and checked the archives, and it looks like there have been 3 this month. Ie not a whole lot of spam, but the one I got today, looks to me like maybe someone has harvested the mailing list, and is sending them with fake return addresses of list members (actually it seemed to have Gary's return address in the header, but not as the "from", which is confusing to me). So I've changed things so it requires approval to join and see the member list. But if the list is already out, I don't know how to stop further messages. But if it's only 3 per month, I guess that's not too bad. I get hundreds per day myself. My filter traps them, and I usually do a quick scan and delete them, but today I noticed one that actually came from the list, so I became concerned. > > Bill: > > > > I don't recall any spam getting through on mine. But, I've got a > pretty good filter. > > > > Twomey > > > > > > > From: wejones@eskerridge.com > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:46 -0400 > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > > > > It seems like there has been some spam getting through onto the > > mailing list. I was not aware of it because my spam filter was > > catching it. I don't understand yet how it's getting through, but I'm > > working on it. I may have to put the list in moderate until I figure > > out how to stop it. > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > > Sweden Maine > > wejones@megalink.net > > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > > > 303rdBG page > > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > Bill Jones N3JLQ Sweden Maine wejones@megalink.net http://www.megalink.net/~wejones 303rdBG page http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html From j4cubguy at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 16:00:59 2009 From: j4cubguy at yahoo.com (John Mcenaney) Date: Mon Jul 27 16:17:18 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? Message-ID: <857485.1751.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I got a thing for viagra, still a few years to go before that, I hope! john --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Bill Twomey wrote: From: Bill Twomey Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:42 PM Bill: I don't recall? any spam getting? through? on mine.? But, I've got a pretty? good? filter. Twomey > From: wejones@eskerridge.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:46 -0400 > Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > > It seems like there has been some spam getting through onto the mailing > list. > I was not aware of it because my spam filter was catching it. > I don't understand yet how it's getting through, but I'm working on it. > I may have to put the list in moderate until I figure out how to stop > it. > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > Sweden Maine > wejones@megalink.net > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > 303rdBG page > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From glm at 303rdbg.com Mon Jul 27 16:02:46 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Mon Jul 27 16:17:18 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? In-Reply-To: <4A6DE90A.25706.24939BF@localhost> References: <4A6DACBA.925.15DA084@localhost> <4A6DE90A.25706.24939BF@localhost> Message-ID: <4A6E2406.4020305@303rdbg.com> Heh ... Just maybe I'm trying to pick up a few bucks spamming! :-) Gary ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* Bill Jones wrote: > Thanks. > I just noticed one today, and checked the archives, and it looks like > there have been 3 this month. Ie not a whole lot of spam, but the one > I got today, looks to me like maybe someone has harvested the mailing > list, and is sending them with fake return addresses of list members > (actually it seemed to have Gary's return address in the header, but > not as the "from", which is confusing to me). So I've changed things so > it requires approval to join and see the member list. But if the list > is already out, I don't know how to stop further messages. But if it's > only 3 per month, I guess that's not too bad. I get hundreds per day > myself. My filter traps them, and I usually do a quick scan and delete > them, but today I noticed one that actually came from the list, so I > became concerned. > > >> Bill: >> >> >> >> I don't recall any spam getting through on mine. But, I've got a >> pretty good filter. >> >> >> >> Twomey >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: wejones@eskerridge.com >>> To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com >>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:46 -0400 >>> Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? >>> >>> It seems like there has been some spam getting through onto the >>> mailing list. I was not aware of it because my spam filter was >>> catching it. I don't understand yet how it's getting through, but I'm >>> working on it. I may have to put the list in moderate until I figure >>> out how to stop it. >>> >>> Sorry for the inconvenience. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill Jones N3JLQ >>> Sweden Maine >>> wejones@megalink.net >>> http://www.megalink.net/~wejones >>> >>> 303rdBG page >>> http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 303rd-Talk mailing list >>> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >>> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> >> > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > Sweden Maine > wejones@megalink.net > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > 303rdBG page > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > From twomey45 at msn.com Mon Jul 27 16:45:32 2009 From: twomey45 at msn.com (Bill Twomey) Date: Mon Jul 27 17:34:12 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? In-Reply-To: <857485.1751.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <857485.1751.qm@web53204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hilarious ! John, I assume you and I are in the same general age group. According to friends - never say never. Bill Twomey > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:00:59 -0700 > From: j4cubguy@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > I got a thing for viagra, still a few years to go before that, I hope! john > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Bill Twomey wrote: > > > From: Bill Twomey > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:42 PM > > > > Bill: > > > > I don't recall any spam getting through on mine. But, I've got a pretty good filter. > > > > Twomey > > > > > > > From: wejones@eskerridge.com > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:46 -0400 > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > > > > It seems like there has been some spam getting through onto the mailing > > list. > > I was not aware of it because my spam filter was catching it. > > I don't understand yet how it's getting through, but I'm working on it. > > I may have to put the list in moderate until I figure out how to stop > > it. > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > > Sweden Maine > > wejones@megalink.net > > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > > > 303rdBG page > > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From j4cubguy at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 01:34:42 2009 From: j4cubguy at yahoo.com (John Mcenaney) Date: Tue Jul 28 01:34:44 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? Message-ID: <209545.78220.qm@web53208.mail.re2.yahoo.com> old enough to know better, still too young to care:) --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Bill Twomey wrote: From: Bill Twomey Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:45 PM Hilarious ! John,? I? assume? you and? I are in the same general? age? group. According? to? friends - never say? never. Bill Twomey > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:00:59 -0700 > From: j4cubguy@yahoo.com > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > I got a thing for viagra, still a few years to go before that, I hope! john > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Bill Twomey wrote: > > > From: Bill Twomey > Subject: RE: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > To: "303rd-talk" <303rd-talk@303rdbg.com> > Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 2:42 PM > > > > Bill: > > > > I don't recall? any spam getting? through? on mine.? But, I've got a pretty? good? filter. > > > > Twomey > > > > > > > From: wejones@eskerridge.com > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:33:46 -0400 > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] ? SPAM getting through to list, sorry ? > > > > It seems like there has been some spam getting through onto the mailing > > list. > > I was not aware of it because my spam filter was catching it. > > I don't understand yet how it's getting through, but I'm working on it. > > I may have to put the list in moderate until I figure out how to stop > > it. > > > > Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > > > > > > Bill Jones N3JLQ > > Sweden Maine > > wejones@megalink.net > > http://www.megalink.net/~wejones > > > > 303rdBG page > > http://www.eskerridge.com/bj/303rdbg/wwii.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _______________________________________________ 303rd-Talk mailing list 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From ljnewell at hotmail.com Tue Jul 28 06:35:10 2009 From: ljnewell at hotmail.com (Leslie Jean Newell) Date: Tue Jul 28 06:35:12 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 In-Reply-To: <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> References: <4A6B3703.7000809@303rdbg.com> <62AB66136AAD4A019D569A31EA8A386C@joelwksol0qarl> Message-ID: Thank you to everyone who responded to my inquiry. I appreciate the information. Although I never received any '.pdf' attachment. It's amazing how many people can get something wrong, even though it is correctly written. Lt. Richard M. Newell was not my father-in-law (I have never been married), but my father. Since I have made similar mistakes in my lifetime, I can understand how it could happen. However, I just want to make that information clear. It's great to be part of this forum, and be able to ask questions and learn all the information available. Thank you again. Leslie Jean Newell Hendersonville, NC > From: joelkc2442@bellsouth.net > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:53:33 -0400 > > Mrs. Newell, > > My father-in-law, Kirkland T. Price was on these missions with your father, > only with a different crew. You can read about these missions by clicking > on the link beside each. > > 273 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/273.pdf > 277 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/277.pdf > 278 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/278.pdf > 281 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/281.pdf > 282 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > 285 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/285.pdf > 290 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/290.pdf > 291 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/291.pdf > 292 http://www.303rdbg.com/missionreports/282.pdf > > Regards, > > Joel Coleman > Georgia > > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] WWII Missions from Nov. 16, 1944 - Mar. 1, 1945 > > > > My father. Lt. Richard M. Newell of the 360th, went on these missions at the > end of WWII. Does anyone remember anything about these missions, or have > relatives who were on these missions and related anything to them, that they > could tell me? > > > > Missions > > > 273 > 274 > 277 > 278 > 279 > 281 > 282 > 285 > 286 > 287 > 290 > 291 > 292 > 295 > 296 > 298A > 298B > 299 > 301 > 302 > 303 > 304 > 306 > 307 > 310 > 311 > 312 > 313 > 321 > 322 > 323 > 323 > 326 > 327 > > Thank you very much for anything you can tell me. > > Leslie Jean Newell > Hendersonville, NC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:59 -0600 > > From: glm@303rdbg.com > > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > > Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Cronkite > > > > Spec, > > We've tried all that plus Mr. Cronkite's office. No one can locate it. > > > > Gary > > > > *Gary L. Moncur* > > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > > glm@303rdBG.com > > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > > > > > IBSPEC@aol.com wrote: > > > could a copy be in the national library of congress? > > > have you inquired of c b s archives? > > > the district of columbia "NEWSEUM"? > > > **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy > > > Steps! > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585106x1201462830/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul > > > yExcfooterNO62) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > 303rd-Talk mailing list > > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live? 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See how. http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_072009 From glm at 303rdbg.com Thu Jul 30 10:40:50 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Thu Jul 30 10:40:53 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms In-Reply-To: References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <4A71CD12.9080601@303rdbg.com> Joel, Sorry about the slow reply... Cambron was upgraded from copilot to first pilot on November 27, 1944. He flew as first pilot that day only. He filled in as copilot on various crews until that fateful day. I don't believe he was ever assigned a crew and was being used where needed. Gary ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* joelkc2442 wrote: > > Wow! How great is it to get this kind of information for this > family. Mr. Moncur Sir, I would like to ask you to tell me if you > can, did Lt. Richard H. Cambron ever made it to Lead Pilot? He was > Co-Pilot under Fontana on most all of my father-in-law's missions thru > 12/31/1944. He died as Co-Pilot under a different pilot on January > 21, 1945, but I had read that he had made it to Lead Pilot. I would > like to clear this up and tell my father-in-law. > > Thank you in advance, > > Joel Coleman > Georgia > > > Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms > > >> John, >> There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, >> all now fixed. >> >> 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser >> Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 >> missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, >> 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. >> Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three >> missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total >> missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). >> >> Regards, >> Gary >> >> ___________ >> *Gary L. Moncur* >> * 303rd Bomb Group Historian >> glm@303rdBG.com >> www.303rdBG.com* >> >> >> >> jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: >>> Thank you so much! >>> >>> John R. Helms, Alderman >>> City of Florence, Mississippi >>> Florence, MS 39073\ >>> www.helmsforflorence.com >>> http://blog.helmsforflorence.com >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. >>> See now! >>> * >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: > 07/26/09 11:07:00 > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > From joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 30 15:37:25 2009 From: joelkc2442 at bellsouth.net (joelkc2442) Date: Thu Jul 30 15:40:08 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms References: <8CBDC36B703DD23-1780-4E8D@webmail-da13.sysops.aol.com> <4A6CA57B.60304@303rdbg.com> <4A71CD12.9080601@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: Gary, Thank you for the information and I have passed it on to Mr. Price. Best regards, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Moncur" To: "303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum" <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms > Joel, > Sorry about the slow reply... > > Cambron was upgraded from copilot to first pilot on November 27, 1944. > He flew as first pilot that day only. He filled in as copilot on > various crews until that fateful day. I don't believe he was ever > assigned a crew and was being used where needed. > > Gary > > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > > > joelkc2442 wrote: >> >> Wow! How great is it to get this kind of information for this >> family. Mr. Moncur Sir, I would like to ask you to tell me if you >> can, did Lt. Richard H. Cambron ever made it to Lead Pilot? He was >> Co-Pilot under Fontana on most all of my father-in-law's missions thru >> 12/31/1944. He died as Co-Pilot under a different pilot on January >> 21, 1945, but I had read that he had made it to Lead Pilot. I would >> like to clear this up and tell my father-in-law. >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Joel Coleman >> Georgia >> >> >> Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re: John R. Helms >> >> >>> John, >>> There was only one John Helms in the 303rd. There were about 4 typos, >>> all now fixed. >>> >>> 2Lt *John R. Helms* (CP) - Flew on 10 credited missions with the Rosser >>> Crew - 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187. Flew on 20 >>> missions as CoPilot with other Pilots -194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, >>> 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 219, 226. >>> Upgraded from CoPilot to Pilot on orders dated 10 Aug 1944. Flew three >>> missions as First Pilot - 225, 227, 230. Completed combat tour (33 total >>> missions) on 30 August 1944 (Mission 234). >>> >>> Regards, >>> Gary >>> >>> ___________ >>> *Gary L. Moncur* >>> * 303rd Bomb Group Historian >>> glm@303rdBG.com >>> www.303rdBG.com* >>> >>> >>> >>> jhelms2196@aol.com wrote: >>>> Thank you so much! >>>> >>>> John R. Helms, Alderman >>>> City of Florence, Mississippi >>>> Florence, MS 39073\ >>>> www.helmsforflorence.com >>>> http://blog.helmsforflorence.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. >>>> See now! >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 303rd-Talk mailing list >>> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >>> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.31/2264 - Release Date: >> 07/26/09 11:07:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.36/2272 - Release Date: 07/30/09 05:58:00 From glm at 303rdbg.com Fri Jul 31 11:48:29 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Fri Jul 31 11:48:32 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs Message-ID: <4A732E6D.3070703@303rdbg.com> I just got this note....... I am baffled. Any ideas? ------------------------------ I was visiting my wife's grandfather yesterday and we went through his footlocker. He was a captain of a B-17 in WW II and spent most of his time during the war in Italy. There was an unopened "C.M.F PACKS" in his footlocker and he could not recall what it was. It is a sealed cloth pack that is about 4 inches by 6 inches, olive in color with the lettering C.M.F PACKS on the front of it. It is only about ? inch thick and it is unopened. Do you have any idea what it could be? I do not want to open it if I can avoid it. Thank you, -------------------------------------- -- ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* From jhelms2196 at aol.com Fri Jul 31 12:23:38 2009 From: jhelms2196 at aol.com (jhelms2196@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 31 12:24:08 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs In-Reply-To: <4A732E6D.3070703@303rdbg.com> References: <4A732E6D.3070703@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <8CBE02328A13B87-690-52F@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> C.M.F. stands for Citizens Military Forcel...similar to the "Reserve" or National Guard.? These were forces from the late 30s and early 40s from Australia...I don't know what might be in the pack, but I will continue to research it.?? John R. Helms, Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073\ www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original Message----- From: Gary Moncur To: 303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 12:48 pm Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs I just got this note....... I am baffled. Any ideas?? ? ------------------------------? I was visiting my wife's grandfather yesterday and we went through his footlocker.? He was a captain of a B-17 in WW II and spent most of his time during the war in Italy.? There was an unopened "C.M.F PACKS" in his footlocker and he could not recall what it was.? It is a sealed cloth pack that is about 4 inches by 6 inches, olive in color with the lettering C.M.F PACKS on the front of it. It is only about ? inch thick and it is unopened.? Do you have any idea what it could be? I do not want to open it if I can avoid it.? Thank you,? --------------------------------------? ? -- ___________? *Gary L. Moncur*? * 303rd Bomb Group Historian? glm@303rdBG.com? www.303rdBG.com*? ? _______________________________________________? 303rd-Talk mailing list? 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com? http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/ 303rd-talk? From jhelms2196 at aol.com Fri Jul 31 12:36:08 2009 From: jhelms2196 at aol.com (jhelms2196@aol.com) Date: Fri Jul 31 12:36:19 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs In-Reply-To: <4A732E6D.3070703@303rdbg.com> References: <4A732E6D.3070703@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: <8CBE024E788F59C-690-5D4@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> CMF also stood for Central Mediterranean Force.? This was from the United Kingdom...I know in World War I, but I am not sure about WWII...still nothing on the CMF Pack.... John R. Helms, Alderman City of Florence, Mississippi Florence, MS 39073\ www.helmsforflorence.com http://blog.helmsforflorence.com -----Original Message----- From: Gary Moncur To: 303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 12:48 pm Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs I just got this note....... I am baffled. Any ideas?? ? ------------------------------? I was visiting my wife's grandfather yesterday and we went through his footlocker.? He was a captain of a B-17 in WW II and spent most of his time during the war in Italy.? There was an unopened "C.M.F PACKS" in his footlocker and he could not recall what it was.? It is a sealed cloth pack that is about 4 inches by 6 inches, olive in color with the lettering C.M.F PACKS on the front of it. It is only about ? inch thick and it is unopened.? Do you have any idea what it could be? I do not want to open it if I can avoid it.? Thank you,? --------------------------------------? ? -- ___________? *Gary L. Moncur*? * 303rd Bomb Group Historian? glm@303rdBG.com? www.303rdBG.com*? ? _______________________________________________? 303rd-Talk mailing list? 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com? http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk? From hasusskind at hotmail.com Fri Jul 31 15:58:15 2009 From: hasusskind at hotmail.com (harold susskind) Date: Fri Jul 31 15:58:16 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs In-Reply-To: <4A732E6D.3070703@303rdbg.com> References: <4A732E6D.3070703@303rdbg.com> Message-ID: Gary: Off the top of my head I wonder if it is a bail out pack: since it was in Italy. I wonder if it is a 50 year old Pizza. it could be orders. Is his name Packs? We had some transfers from Italy i.e. Frank Forve but I don't remember anyone else. Hal S. > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:48:29 -0600 > From: glm@303rdbg.com > To: 303rd-talk@303rdBG.com > Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs > > I just got this note....... I am baffled. Any ideas? > > ------------------------------ > I was visiting my wife's grandfather yesterday and we went through his > footlocker. > He was a captain of a B-17 in WW II and spent most of his time during > the war in Italy. > There was an unopened "C.M.F PACKS" in his footlocker and he could not > recall what it was. > It is a sealed cloth pack that is about 4 inches by 6 inches, olive in > color with the lettering C.M.F PACKS on the front of it. It is only > about ? inch thick and it is unopened. > > Do you have any idea what it could be? I do not want to open it if I can > avoid it. > Thank you, > -------------------------------------- > > -- > ___________ > *Gary L. Moncur* > * 303rd Bomb Group Historian > glm@303rdBG.com > www.303rdBG.com* > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=sports From bgrindrod at earthlink.net Fri Jul 31 17:28:05 2009 From: bgrindrod at earthlink.net (Bob Grindrod) Date: Fri Jul 31 17:28:07 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs Message-ID: <1889964.1249082885507.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Here is a clue: http://www.thetribonline.com/opinion/print_story.php?story_id=3884 -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Moncur >Sent: Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM >To: 303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> >Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs > >I just got this note....... I am baffled. Any ideas? > >------------------------------ >I was visiting my wife's grandfather yesterday and we went through his >footlocker. >He was a captain of a B-17 in WW II and spent most of his time during >the war in Italy. >There was an unopened "C.M.F PACKS" in his footlocker and he could not >recall what it was. >It is a sealed cloth pack that is about 4 inches by 6 inches, olive in >color with the lettering C.M.F PACKS on the front of it. It is only >about ? inch thick and it is unopened. > >Do you have any idea what it could be? I do not want to open it if I can >avoid it. >Thank you, >-------------------------------------- > >-- >___________ >*Gary L. Moncur* >* 303rd Bomb Group Historian >glm@303rdBG.com >www.303rdBG.com* > >_______________________________________________ >303rd-Talk mailing list >303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk From glm at 303rdbg.com Fri Jul 31 17:34:11 2009 From: glm at 303rdbg.com (Gary Moncur) Date: Fri Jul 31 17:34:13 2009 Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs In-Reply-To: <1889964.1249082885507.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1889964.1249082885507.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4A737F73.3030201@303rdbg.com> Aha! Maps........ that's gotta be right. Thanks! ___________ *Gary L. Moncur* * 303rd Bomb Group Historian glm@303rdBG.com www.303rdBG.com* Bob Grindrod wrote: > Here is a clue: http://www.thetribonline.com/opinion/print_story.php?story_id=3884 > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gary Moncur >> Sent: Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM >> To: 303rd Bomb Group Talk Forum <303rd-talk@303rdBG.com> >> Subject: [303rd-Talk] C.M.F. Packs >> >> I just got this note....... I am baffled. Any ideas? >> >> ------------------------------ >> I was visiting my wife's grandfather yesterday and we went through his >> footlocker. >> He was a captain of a B-17 in WW II and spent most of his time during >> the war in Italy. >> There was an unopened "C.M.F PACKS" in his footlocker and he could not >> recall what it was. >> It is a sealed cloth pack that is about 4 inches by 6 inches, olive in >> color with the lettering C.M.F PACKS on the front of it. It is only >> about ? inch thick and it is unopened. >> >> Do you have any idea what it could be? I do not want to open it if I can >> avoid it. >> Thank you, >> -------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> ___________ >> *Gary L. Moncur* >> * 303rd Bomb Group Historian >> glm@303rdBG.com >> www.303rdBG.com* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 303rd-Talk mailing list >> 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com >> http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > 303rd-Talk mailing list > 303rd-Talk@303rdBG.com > http://lists.303rdbg.com/mailman/listinfo/303rd-talk > >