[303rd-Talk] Re:Cheviot Hills Crash Site
rjbeeby at aol.com
rjbeeby at aol.com
Sat Jan 13 06:21:56 MST 2007
hi just read your email re cheviot hill crash site
if you need to see a os map of where the plane crashed
go to www.streetmap.co.uk go to serch type in braydon crag or west hill
click the box for places this will bring up the os map
hope this helps
robin beeby UK LIASON for the 303rd bomb group
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Subject: [303rd-Talk] Re:Cheviot Hills Crash Site
Thanks for the information Colin. I found those map sites much too difficult to
navigate and find map 74. I did come across a site that indicates that GB does
not offer these maps free to the public of GB or anyone else for that matter.
http://geocarta.blogspot.com/2006/03/british-newspaper-bashes-ordinance.html
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Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:52:10 +0100
From: "colin.waterworth" <colin.waterworth at btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: Cheviot Hills Crash Location
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Hi Scotty
rex is correct in what he says , you will need to obtain a British Ordanance
survey map number 74.If you look under Ordanance survey maps on the net you
hopefully will be able to view? and possibly purchase one on line..colin
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Colin.........where do I go to find the map reference No. 74.......895214?
Scotty
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3. POW Sketch (Gary Moncur)
4. Re: POW Sketch (ADAM MICHAEL TOWNSEND)
5. Re: POW Sketch (Gary Moncur)
6. Re: POW Sketch (rex pearce)
7. Re: POW Sketch (Gary Moncur)
8. Re: POW Sketch (Diana Buchalski)
9. Re: POW Sketch (Gary Moncur)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:52:42 +0100
From: "colin.waterworth" <colin.waterworth at btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: Cheviot Hill crash location
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Hi Scotty
It has been a number of years ago now since i visited the the crash site
of
44-6504 but according to my book , the map reference is map No 74
....895214 apparantly i have been told by a friend that one of the under
carriage legs and wheel are to be found three quarters of a mile away ; in
what direction i dont know?
If you are going to visit the crash make sure you take a compass and good
wet weather gear!
All the best...colin
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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:32:02 -0000
From: "rex pearce" <r.pearce763 at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] Re: Cheviot Hill crash location
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On the subject of faulty navigation I remember reading
a crash report of a B17 that took off from Molesworth
on an operation in conditions of mist, and flew on
a reciprocal bearing west instead of east. From memory
this plane crashed in Wales after about an hour's flight.
Rex.
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> Hi Scotty
> It has been a number of years ago now since i visited the the crash
site
> of
> 44-6504 but according to my book , the map reference is map No 74
> ....895214 apparantly i have been told by a friend that one of the under
> carriage legs and wheel are to be found three quarters of a mile away ;
in
> what direction i dont know?
> If you are going to visit the crash make sure you take a compass and
good
> wet weather gear!
> All the best...colin
>
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Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:19:36 -0700
From: "Gary Moncur" <glm at 303rdBG.com>
Subject: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
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Here is a drawing of POW 2Lt Charles L. Gould done by another POW at
Stalag Luft 1. I left it full sized:
http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould.jpg
or just the key part cropped:
http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould2.jpg
We are trying to determine the artist. By Gould's collar, there is a
signature. Rather than say what others have guessed, I'll see if any
of you have any ideas what the name is. It could be a nickname, I
suppose.
We'd appreciate any guesses. Maybe the drawing can be enhanced to
clairfy it. I tried without much success.
Thanks,
Gary
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:27:06 -0500
From: "ADAM MICHAEL TOWNSEND" <amt5115 at psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
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It looks to me like Eich, and when I searched that, I found...
EICH HENRY J JR 2/LT 0797978 359TH PILOT 10-27-43
01-11-44 EICH'S CREW POW
Eich was in Stalag Luft I, according to the POW records, so that adds up.
What does everyone else think?
Adam Townsend
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:37:36 -0700
From: "Gary Moncur" <glm at 303rdBG.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
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> It looks to me like Eich, and when I searched that, I found...
>
http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould.jpg
http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould2.jpg
It could be EICH. It may or may not be a 303rd man. The family
thought it read HIGH. To me it looks more like FIGE or LIGE or TIGE,
but I sure don't know. I can't find a matching name in the POW
database for that camp. I want it to be EICH, but I think it looks
more like a G than a C.
Here it is again enhanced and distorted a little:
http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould3.jpg
Gary
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:59:29 -0000
From: "rex pearce" <r.pearce763 at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
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Name of plane: Minnie the Moocher.
Flak? damage to nose, centre section and tail.
Artist's name: EIGE?
Rex.
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Subject: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
> Here is a drawing of POW 2Lt Charles L. Gould done by another POW at
> Stalag Luft 1. I left it full sized:
> http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould.jpg
> or just the key part cropped:
> http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould2.jpg
>
> We are trying to determine the artist. By Gould's collar, there is a
> signature. Rather than say what others have guessed, I'll see if any
> of you have any ideas what the name is. It could be a nickname, I
> suppose.
>
> We'd appreciate any guesses. Maybe the drawing can be enhanced to
> clairfy it. I tried without much success.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
>
>
> -- Gary Moncur
> Webmaster & Director of Internet Operations
> 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association
> http://www.303rdBG.com
> http://www.B17Thunderbird.com
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:02:20 -0700
From: "Gary Moncur" <glm at 303rdBG.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
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Well, it's not Eich. I just talked with him on the phone. He's in
Florida and sounds great, but he was not an artist. As a side note,
my dad wrote that he knew Eich and some others who were shot down on
11 Jan 1944 (mission 98) to Oschersleben. Eich does not remember my
father now. POWs had a totally different war experience. It is very
interesting to talk with them. I think the first 303rd POW I spoke
with was my dear friend Bill Dallas, who is one of us here.
Gary
> Name of plane: Minnie the Moocher.
> Flak? damage to nose, centre section and tail.
> Artist's name: EIGE?
> Rex.
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> Cc: "Mark Forlow" <mjmforlow at optonline.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:19 PM
> Subject: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
>
>
> > Here is a drawing of POW 2Lt Charles L. Gould done by another POW at
> > Stalag Luft 1. I left it full sized:
> > http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould.jpg or just the key part
> > cropped: http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould2.jpg
> >
> > We are trying to determine the artist. By Gould's collar, there is
> > a signature. Rather than say what others have guessed, I'll see if
> > any of you have any ideas what the name is. It could be a nickname,
> > I suppose.
> >
> > We'd appreciate any guesses. Maybe the drawing can be enhanced to
> > clairfy it. I tried without much success.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > -- Gary Moncur
> > Webmaster & Director of Internet Operations
> > 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association
> > http://www.303rdBG.com
> > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 07:14:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Diana Buchalski <dianachitown at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
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My uncle Raymond Gilstrap was on that plane that was shot down. He lost
his arm and was a pow. I would like to see the picture you are talking
about.
Gary Moncur <glm at 303rdBG.com> wrote: Well, it's not Eich. I just talked
with him on the phone. He's in
Florida and sounds great, but he was not an artist. As a side note,
my dad wrote that he knew Eich and some others who were shot down on
11 Jan 1944 (mission 98) to Oschersleben. Eich does not remember my
father now. POWs had a totally different war experience. It is very
interesting to talk with them. I think the first 303rd POW I spoke
with was my dear friend Bill Dallas, who is one of us here.
Gary
> Name of plane: Minnie the Moocher.
> Flak? damage to nose, centre section and tail.
> Artist's name: EIGE?
> Rex.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Moncur"
> To: <303rd-Talk at 303rdBG.com>
> Cc: "Mark Forlow"
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:19 PM
> Subject: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
>
>
> > Here is a drawing of POW 2Lt Charles L. Gould done by another POW at
> > Stalag Luft 1. I left it full sized:
> > http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould.jpg or just the key part
> > cropped: http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould2.jpg
> >
> > We are trying to determine the artist. By Gould's collar, there is
> > a signature. Rather than say what others have guessed, I'll see if
> > any of you have any ideas what the name is. It could be a nickname,
> > I suppose.
> >
> > We'd appreciate any guesses. Maybe the drawing can be enhanced to
> > clairfy it. I tried without much success.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > -- Gary Moncur
> > Webmaster & Director of Internet Operations
> > 303rd Bomb Group (H) Association
> > http://www.303rdBG.com
> > http://www.B17Thunderbird.com
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:37:02 -0700
From: "Gary Moncur" <glm at 303rdBG.com>
Subject: Re: [303rd-Talk] POW Sketch
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> My uncle Raymond Gilstrap was on that plane that was shot down. He
> lost his arm and was a pow. I would like to see the picture you are
> talking about.
>
Diana,
The picture at
http://www.303rdbg.com/303rd-talk/pow-gould.jpg
is of Charles Gould drawn by a fellow POW at Stalag Luft 1. Eich's
only connection is that they were in the same POW camp. Looks like
Gilstrap was in Stalag 4. The officers and enlisted men were
generally kept in different POW camps.
If you haven't ever spoken to Henry Eich, you should give him a call.
He was very excited that I had called. I'm sure he can tell you
things about your uncle. It always makes me nervious to call a 303rd
veteran that I have never met, but each time I have done it has been
a great experience.
Gary
-- Gary Moncur
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